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Sparx Skate Sharpener - At home sharpener

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2 hours ago, court31sierra said:

just got this email from sparx:

 

"Dear Valued Sparx Customer, 

First, we want to thank you for placing your order for the new, revolutionary Sparx Sharpener and becoming one of the first consumers in the world to get access to the latest technology from Sparx Hockey. We know you will be extremely satisfied with your new sharpener and will experience consistent and accurate edges for many years to come!

Unfortunately, we were notified late last week that this eagerly anticipated first shipment of Sparx Sharpeners will be delayed in arriving to our facility. As you may have experienced with ordering other products, there are significant shipping delays currently taking place throughout the world and this delay is beyond our control.

While we originally communicated that sharpeners will ship out to you from our facility in 5-7 business days from when you placed your order, we are now expecting to ship sharpeners in approximately 13-15 business days. This estimate could change as we receive more information, but we wanted to share with you the latest information we have at this time.

We understand that this is frustrating, as it is frustrating to us as well. We pride ourselves on exceptional customer service and the last thing we want is for any of our customers to have a less-than-perfect experience with Sparx Hockey.

If you would like to cancel your order as a result of the delay, we will provide you a full refund. However, please note that as a result of the unprecedented demand for the new Sparx Sharpener orders placed today are expected to ship in 5-6 weeks, so we recommend not canceling your current order.

We truly apologize for this delay and please know that we are doing everything in our power to expedite the process.

Again, thank you for your order and thank you for supporting Sparx Hockey."

 

So if you already have an order placed it will ship in 13-15 days. It's an extra week, no big deal.

 

"As you may have experienced with ordering other products, there are significant shipping delays currently taking place"  That's the head scratcher. Haven't the folks at Sparx experienced the same thing over the past few months then? And should have accounted for this before giving out shipping times?

 

 

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41 minutes ago, mojo122 said:

Willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this as they may have been misinformed by their shipper.  

I’m not worried, I’m just glad I ordered as soon as it was released. Feel bad for the people that waited a bit... gonna be awhile yet.. too bad they wouldn’t offer a discount on rings or throw in a free ring for the patients. Haha 

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3 hours ago, beardacus said:

Anyone receive the new smaller sharpener yet? Really thinking about biting the bullet on this one now that its a little bit cheaper. 

One of the guys I skate with has the new one. I very much prefer the older model. The new one requires hand tools to do adjustments and all of the motor components are in the top portion instead of safely living within the housing. I understand that some compromise had to be made to shed weight but I feel like this new model is not as professional as the previous generation. 

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So I finally finished a grinding wheel (1/2 Fire) and this is my finding... it lasted 264 total passes.  Which means if you do an avg of 4 passes per skate (overkill IMO), it would do 33 pairs.  I do an avg of 2 passes per skate every 3rd or 4th hour on ice... so that would mean 66 pairs.  Overall with the 2 kids playing 3-4x per week in-season, that wheel lasted 1.5 years.


Anyone else with data to share?  Is 2 passes average?  I find that with the LS1 steel in my kids' skates, it requires more frequent sharpenings (is it because I only do 2 passes - doubt it).  My LS4 sharpenings (5/8 fire) last a lot longer.

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38 minutes ago, rh71el2 said:

So I finally finished a grinding wheel (1/2 Fire) and this is my finding... it lasted 264 total passes.  Which means if you do an avg of 4 passes per skate (overkill IMO), it would do 33 pairs.  I do an avg of 2 passes per skate every 3rd or 4th hour on ice... so that would mean 66 pairs.  Overall with the 2 kids playing 3-4x per week in-season, that wheel lasted 1.5 years.


Anyone else with data to share?  Is 2 passes average?  I find that with the LS1 steel in my kids' skates, it requires more frequent sharpenings (is it because I only do 2 passes - doubt it).  My LS4 sharpenings (5/8 fire) last a lot longer.

That sounds about right. IMO, many people do too many passes when most times they only need 1-2 passes to freshen up the edges since the hollow is still intact. You typically only need 3-5 passes if you have some trauma to the blade. I also have seen a lot of people was passes as ell when the hollow and edges were cut just fine after two passes but they were not diligent with honing the steel after the sharpening. 

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Sounds right. I do two before every skate, need it or not. However as a goalie I often have dings I need to - at least mostly - fix so I end up doing 5-6 passes far more often than most people should ever need to, so that obviously skews my numbers. It is what it is, and I still get plenty of life out of a ring all things considered. Zero complaints.

As one of the first kickstarters I can easily say this is by far the best crowdfunding projects I’ve ever backed (and I back a lot of them) and definitely one of the best investments I’ve ever made in a product in general. 

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On 12/27/2020 at 12:52 PM, rh71el2 said:

So I finally finished a grinding wheel (1/2 Fire) and this is my finding... it lasted 264 total passes.  Which means if you do an avg of 4 passes per skate (overkill IMO), it would do 33 pairs.  I do an avg of 2 passes per skate every 3rd or 4th hour on ice... so that would mean 66 pairs.  Overall with the 2 kids playing 3-4x per week in-season, that wheel lasted 1.5 years.


Anyone else with data to share?  Is 2 passes average?  I find that with the LS1 steel in my kids' skates, it requires more frequent sharpenings (is it because I only do 2 passes - doubt it).  My LS4 sharpenings (5/8 fire) last a lot longer.

 

The rings last for 320 passes. You may have miscounted if you only recorded 264 passes. Or someone is running cycles that you aren't aware of. But the ring is coded for 320 passes, that's how many you get before the light goes out.

I'm in the habit of doing 2 passes before every 3rd or 4th skate. I don't find I ever need more than that for well cared for / well handled skates.

 

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40 minutes ago, colins said:

The rings last for 320 passes. You may have miscounted if you only recorded 264 passes. Or someone is running cycles that you aren't aware of. But the ring is coded for 320 passes, that's how many you get before the light goes out.

I'm in the habit of doing 2 passes before every 3rd or 4th skate. I don't find I ever need more than that for well cared for / well handled skates.

 

I'm the only one who knows how to use the Sparx at home so it's not that, and I have a running list of passes I keep on my phone.  I'm surprised I'd be that far off... something is for sure amiss if it's pre-programmed for 320 passes.  Is the count kept on the machine or on the wheel (the latter would be an interesting feat).  I ask because I rotate 2 different wheels, albeit infrequently. 146 passes so far on the 5/8 Fire which still wouldn't explain it.

 

The light for the 1/2 Fire finally stayed red and I couldn't start it anymore.  Thanks for the info.

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8 minutes ago, rh71el2 said:

I'm the only one who knows how to use the Sparx at home so it's not that, and I have a running list of passes I keep on my phone.  I'm surprised I'd be that far off... something is for sure amiss if it's pre-programmed for 320 passes.  Is the count kept on the machine or on the wheel (the latter would be an interesting feat).  I ask because I rotate 2 different wheels, albeit infrequently. 146 passes so far on the 5/8 Fire which still wouldn't explain it.

 

The light for the 1/2 Fire finally stayed red and I couldn't start it anymore.  Thanks for the info.

Usage data is on the ring itself. 

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On 12/27/2020 at 4:22 PM, rh71el2 said:

So I finally finished a grinding wheel (1/2 Fire) and this is my finding... it lasted 264 total passes.  Which means if you do an avg of 4 passes per skate (overkill IMO), it would do 33 pairs.  I do an avg of 2 passes per skate every 3rd or 4th hour on ice... so that would mean 66 pairs.  Overall with the 2 kids playing 3-4x per week in-season, that wheel lasted 1.5 years.


Anyone else with data to share?  Is 2 passes average?  I find that with the LS1 steel in my kids' skates, it requires more frequent sharpenings (is it because I only do 2 passes - doubt it).  My LS4 sharpenings (5/8 fire) last a lot longer.

I do one pass every 4 hours or so assuming no damage to remove, I use a 7/16" ring and LS5 runners. I don't swap round rings between sharpens which helps. I once sharpened some cheap skates with fixed blades and that was awful, I gave each boot 5 passes, soft steel, just didn't feel right.

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On 12/28/2020 at 4:16 PM, rh71el2 said:

I'm the only one who knows how to use the Sparx at home so it's not that, and I have a running list of passes I keep on my phone.  I'm surprised I'd be that far off... something is for sure amiss if it's pre-programmed for 320 passes.  Is the count kept on the machine or on the wheel (the latter would be an interesting feat).  I ask because I rotate 2 different wheels, albeit infrequently. 146 passes so far on the 5/8 Fire which still wouldn't explain it.

 

The light for the 1/2 Fire finally stayed red and I couldn't start it anymore.  Thanks for the info.

 

Count is tracked on the wheel not the sharpener. There's an embedded rfid tag in the ring and the machine writes to it to decrease the # of remaining passes each time it's used.

Check this thread circa July 2016 when Russ the inventor of the Sparx confirms each ring is programmed for 320 passes. 

 

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1 hour ago, colins said:

 

Count is tracked on the wheel not the sharpener. There's an embedded rfid tag in the ring and the machine writes to it to decrease the # of remaining passes each time it's used.

Check this thread circa July 2016 when Russ the inventor of the Sparx confirms each ring is programmed for 320 passes. 

 

This is correct. The older rings you can read the RFID info as well, if you are skilled enough 😉 

I got my hands slapped for posting about it a while ago 😛 

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3 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

Yes, I did. I didn't post on this forum though, it was somewhere else. 

you made it sound like it was here. anyway, moving on.

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If I'm trying to change the sharpening from 1/2 Fire to 5/8 Fire (less bite), how many passes would I need?  Only LS1 steel sharpened to 1/2 Fire only 1 session ago if it matters.

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19 minutes ago, rh71el2 said:

If I'm trying to change the sharpening from 1/2 Fire to 5/8 Fire (less bite), how many passes would I need?  Only LS1 steel sharpened to 1/2 Fire only 1 session ago if it matters.

When I change hollow, I mark the blade with a sharpie, and try a couple of passes. Two usually removes all of the ink when going from 1/2” to 5/8” normal hollow, and vice versa. 

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5 hours ago, Leif said:

When I change hollow, I mark the blade with a sharpie, and try a couple of passes. Two usually removes all of the ink when going from 1/2” to 5/8” normal hollow, and vice versa. 

This is the best way. 

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On 1/3/2021 at 2:10 PM, rh71el2 said:

Did 2 passes each skate.  Kid noticed zero difference in terms of glide or fatigue.  Sometimes I wonder...

Some folks are dull to things like that (pardon the pun). But you can see results as a 3rd party, or by switching back after about a year with the new stuff. As sometimes we are more cognizant of things that feel worse than things that feel better. 

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On 1/3/2021 at 2:10 PM, rh71el2 said:

Did 2 passes each skate.  Kid noticed zero difference in terms of glide or fatigue.  Sometimes I wonder...

I'd do another 2 just to make sure.  But it is possible that the edges are still too deep for him to notice the difference.  What I mean is as a skater you can tell the difference between skates that have too much bite, are just right, and don't have enough.  But you might not be able to tell the difference between edges that have varying degrees of too much or too little.  Just as you can tell the difference between sharp skates and dull skates, but maybe not so much of how dull they are once they get there.  An 1/8" difference may only be noticeable if it's crossing from one preference to another (ie too much bite to just right)

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