How Important Is Lie

[Swlabr11 69]

I've been using the CCM Tavares curve for awhile now with a lot of success the one thing I have noticed is that although I cut my sticks down 4 inches the toe is still a little of the ice. The Tavares is listed as a lie 6 I believe. The Hossa curve is similar but a lie 5.5. Here is my question. Am I missing out on some performance boost by not using the proper lie or if it's not broke don't fix it?

I'm curious to see if it's really that important as long as your are close.

Thanks.

[kovalchuk71 212]

If you aren't having any issues with shooting or catching passes, leave it alone. Every stick will have a slight rocker, so it's virtually impossible for 100% of the blade to be on the ice all of the time.

[cmflynn 16]

For me the difference was huge. It seems like everyone is all over curves and flex profiles, but for me finding the correct lie made the biggest improvement in my performance. I was having a similar problem as you where I was missing passes under the toe of my stick, but after trying a few curves (P87A 5.5 lie-W88 4 lie) I finally settled on the W01 lie 4 because it kept almost all of the blade on the ice. It improved my stickhandling and passing a significant amount right off the bat

[kovalchuk71 212]

Nowhere in the post does the OP say he's having problems with pucks going under his toe.

If I had to rank them in order of importance it would look like this:

Lie > Flex > Curve > Flex Profile

If a stick has the correct lie and flex for me, I can shoot just fine with it. Flex profile and curve are just added bonuses.

[mjpisat 36]

I can't find my "perfect" lie. I've tried w14, w88, w03, w28 all warrior....e28, e3, e36 Easton........p88, pm9 Bauer.

Pm9 had most blade on the ice for me. All the rest some of the toe is up off ice unless I cut the stick real short. Like to my chin in shoes. I don't like it that short. I settled on w28 or e28 and w88 or e36....cut to my mouth in shoes. It's a compromise. I'm 5'8.

[kovalchuk71 212]

I can't find my "perfect" lie. I've tried w14, w88, w03, w28 all warrior....e28, e3, e36 Easton........p88, pm9 Bauer.

Pm9 had most blade on the ice for me. All the rest some of the toe is up off ice unless I cut the stick real short. Like to my chin in shoes. I don't like it that short. I settled on w28 or e28 and w88 or e36....cut to my mouth in shoes. It's a compromise. I'm 5'8.

Watch the pros. When skating, part of the blade will ALWAYS be in the air. That's what happens when the bottom of your blade isn't flat. The toe of my stick probably sticks up an inch or so when skating and stick handling at full speed. Case in point:

The amount it will be off of the ice depends on the aggressiveness of the rocker. Worry more about how much blade you DO have on the ice when you are catching passes and where the wear of the tape is happening when shooting.

[Cosmic 178]

The fact that the pros all seem to enjoy large rockers ought not influence a beer leaguer's preference and consideration for lie. I know that pros favor open faces, but I know that I require a closed face, and that's just the way it needs to be.

[jdvn 8]

I've been using the CCM Tavares curve for awhile now with a lot of success the one thing I have noticed is that although I cut my sticks down 4 inches the toe is still a little of the ice. The Tavares is listed as a lie 6 I believe. The Hossa curve is similar but a lie 5.5. Here is my question. Am I missing out on some performance boost by not using the proper lie or if it's not broke don't fix it?

I'm curious to see if it's really that important as long as your are close.

Thanks.

Honestly for myself, the lie of the doesn't really affect me at all. The past few months I've been using a 4, 5, 5.5 and 6 lie. Stick handling felt the same with all and the same goes with shooting. I find the flex, curve and height of my stick more important.

[psulion22 402]

I can't find my "perfect" lie. I've tried w14, w88, w03, w28 all warrior....e28, e3, e36 Easton........p88, pm9 Bauer.

Pm9 had most blade on the ice for me. All the rest some of the toe is up off ice unless I cut the stick real short. Like to my chin in shoes. I don't like it that short. I settled on w28 or e28 and w88 or e36....cut to my mouth in shoes. It's a compromise. I'm 5'8.

Try a Bauer P92L5. It's a lower lie than P88/W88, and even a slight bit lower than PM9. I need low lie sticks to get enough length to achieve the flex and reach I want. Finding a P92L5 was great for me and was a big improvement in all stick related aspects. I've since switched to W88 because the toe isn't quite as open and it feels the most natural to me that I've had. I'm 5'9" and cut about 1" off the stock length my sticks (which is 60" in 75 flex Warriors I believe).

The combination of lie and length is the most important in my opinion. Since in most brands of stick the flex is affected by the length, finding a lie that allows you to have the proper length to give the correct flex is key It's not quite as important if you use Warrior sticks because of the free flex zone. But it's still important in putting your hand in the right place.

I agree with Kovy71 - Lie-->flex-->curve-->flex profile.

Also keep in mind that the listed lie rating numbers mean pretty much squat. There's no uniformity or consistency to them between brands or even pattern to pattern in the same brand. P92 and P88 are both listed as lie6, but they aren't even close. P88 is almost as low as a P92L5.

[Amiroo39 121]

[start_today 773]

That's a really good example of what players look like during the national anthem, but doesn't give any information about how lie and rocker effects the stick during game play.

[hawkeyfan 36]

My opinion is that lie can have an effect, If you have a very straight flat sole to the blade. Having a rocker sole overcomes the problem with lie.

Do you shoot and stick handle from a stationary position?

The rocker allows one to stick handle and move closer and farther from the puck without having issues with the sticks lie and flat sole.

Also...why would Easton go big with the dual angle soles

[mojo122 538]

Because Easton's latest theory is that everyone should be shooting off the toe.

[hawkeyfan 36]

They may be saying shoot off the toe...but I thought it dealt more with how the blade angles adjusts during your sweep/shot and in order to have max control...one needs the dual lie. It may be the result of the toe shooting. That I don't know.

I do know they do not offer the new curves with their blades. So I won't be trying them anytime soon.

[z1ggy 81]

For just me personally, Lie makes a huge difference. I prefer a lie 5, and if I used a 5.5, I could feel the difference when catching and sending passes. I've tried to force myself into using 5.5, just because it's a more common lie for the pattern I like... But now that Warrior, Easton, True and Sherwood make lie 5 curves that appeal to me, I no longer have that issue.

[Chadd 916]

Lie and rocker is a major thing for me. I don't like a large amount of rocker and I want the blade to sit relatively flat on the ice. I tend to not change my body position all that much when moving from skating to shooting. Then again, I tend to not change my hand position all that much, as I prefer consistency over constantly shifting everything.

[chippa13 1844]

For you kids watching at home, that should be your goal. The guy who can shoot while skating without changing his posture, dropping his shoulder or shifting his hands is the one who will score more goals. Goalies watch for those tell tale signs that a shot is on the way and can use those tells to get a jump on cutting down your angles.

[flip12 717]

But couldn't you also argue the opposite, that the guy or girl who can shoot with different hand positions, with the puck at different distances from his or her body, and on either, both or no feet, will be the least predictable, because the shot could come at any time?

I've found lie and rocker to be crucial as well. I do like a lot of rocker, but the heel has to be low: 5.25 or lower, with the lowest I've tried being around 4.5 or 4.75. I used to use the E4, which has very little rocker, but I've found that the greater rocker makes shooting much more smooth and the puck saucer much more tightly.

[Chadd 916]

Being able to shoot in any position is an advantage. However, in my experience, most people use blades with bigger rockers to handle the puck in one position (heel down), then shift their body completely and shoot from a radically different body position (toe down). Regardless of how you prefer to shoot, working on your release from a number of body positions will benefit your game.

[chippa13 1844]

But couldn't you also argue the opposite, that the guy or girl who can shoot with different hand positions, with the puck at different distances from his or her body, and on either, both or no feet, will be the least predictable, because the shot could come at any time?

I've found lie and rocker to be crucial as well. I do like a lot of rocker, but the heel has to be low: 5.25 or lower, with the lowest I've tried being around 4.5 or 4.75. I used to use the E4, which has very little rocker, but I've found that the greater rocker makes shooting much more smooth and the puck saucer much more tightly.

Yes, you should be able to shoot from a number of positions but you shouldn't have to make body adjustments to do so. If you can't fire on command then you've lost your advantage on the goalie.

[Amiroo39 121]

That's a really good example of what players look like during the national anthem, but doesn't give any information about how lie and rocker effects the stick during game play.

My bad! Should clarify my posts for people like yourself. The old theory has been: "When your hand is at your side, the blade should be flat on the ice" The picture I posted shows how the game has evolved with most players using a rockered blade and only the heel one the ice when hands are at your side.

(cuthockeysticks.com)

[start_today 773]

I was debating making some joke about how showing guys stick lie during the national anthem is like the trigonometry that cuthockeysticks.com uses to try to show guys stick lengths when they are leaning on the boards, but I decided against it. Funny how that works out...

I just don't understand why someone would make equipment choices based on select pictures on the Internet, rather than using what works for them. You can probably pick almost any sort of stick or skate set up that you want, and you can find an example of an NHL player using it.

[kovalchuk71 212]

I just don't understand why someone would make equipment choices based on select pictures on the Internet, rather than using what works for them. You can probably pick almost any sort of stick or skate set up that you want, and you can find an example of an NHL player using it.

That's not the point. It's to show that a rocker makes it impossible for the blade to lie perfectly flat on the ice. The pros are actually a great example of how lie/rocker is properly used.

[Chadd 916]

My bad! Should clarify my posts for people like yourself. The old theory has been: "When your hand is at your side, the blade should be flat on the ice" The picture I posted shows how the game has evolved with most players using a rockered blade and only the heel one the ice when hands are at your side.

(cuthockeysticks.com)

Neither of those blades is flat on the ice. The first one isn't even remotely close and should be obvious to anyone that looks at it.

[baloo1987 1]

I want try one of these lie but players like Duncan Keith are using low lie like 4 or high like 6 ?