Haggerty 144 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, chocks86 said: How can something that is custom made from a digital laser scan of your feet not fit better? The vast majority of people don't need a custom skate now days. Skates wrap very well to users foot if they buy the right type of skate for their foot, I have jacked up feet and with a nexus skate after baking it fits great. Everyone one will have their own opinion on Makes, models, and skates so it boils down to personal preference most the time, though you should fit a nexus foot into a vapor skate because it won't fit properly and visa-versa. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leif 161 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 41 minutes ago, greyskull said: That may well be me... It was at Gosport during a weekend public session, I'm pretty sure he was a hockey skater. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IPv6Freely 2092 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 19 hours ago, IPv6Freely said: My VH skates were made in June 2015 with Bauer cowlings mounted. Was this before or after the goalie boots started being made with extra protection to allow for a cowlingless holder? I'm assuming that at some point the boots were changed so that they are ALL made with a reinforced boot so they can be used with any holder, with or without a cowling. Is that accurate? TL;DR: Can I put Bauer (or step) holders on these boots from mid-2015? FYI, I got a reply back from Rob. Quote Unfortunately, in 2015 we were not re-enforcing the toe caps. We have had goalies make the swap with the standard toe caps and have no issues. It is not something that we recommend. We started re-enforcing the toe caps in mid 2016 So there's my answer. My skates are almost 3 years old so maybe it's time to start looking at new ones! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, IniNew said: If the retail skates are comfortable and fit well, as the poster you replied to said, you can't assume VH is going to fit and perform better. Well "fitting well" is not custom. And after close to 600 fits with 25 customers on there 3rd pair and saying they woukd never go back to stock tells me that. That being said as mentioned above other stock fits are getting better. But i know i can tell the difference between my Ultra Tacks and True/VH Edited January 30, 2018 by oldtrainerguy28 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theinfamoust94 30 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, oldtrainerguy28 said: Well "fitting well" is not custom. And after close to 600 fits with 25 customers on there 3rd pair and saying they woukd never go back to stock tells me that. That being said as mentioned above other stock fits are getting better. But i know i can tell the difference between my Ultra Tacks and True/VH What is the price for a pair of True skates? I'm looking all over the website but can't find a solid answer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper9 529 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Leif said: Do these skates provide any benefit over a pair of standard skates that fit well? A friend has a pair on order, as he was unable to find skates that fitted his large and wide feet. He was in pain, so custom skates are worth the money for him. In my case my Bauer Supremes are very comfortable. I've seen a pair of VH skates at a local UK rink, worn by a young lad, and a good skater. But they are fairly rare in the UK, no doubt in part because to get them fitted you have to go to Sheffield, which for some of us is a 5+ hour car journey each way. Personally, if you're willing to spend the money and willing to put the time into getting used to a totally different feel of skate go for it. If you're happy with what you have and play at a recreational level, I'd personally stick with what works. Edited January 30, 2018 by Sniper9 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stick9 890 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, oldtrainerguy28 said: Well "fitting well" is not custom. And after close to 600 fits with 25 customers on there 3rd pair and saying they woukd never go back to stock tells me that. That being said as mentioned above other stock fits are getting better. But i know i can tell the difference between my Ultra Tacks and True/VH And there lies the issue. You can't compare a retail offering to a custom. Hell, they aren't even in the same price point. So for the sake of discussion, lets put a True up against a custom Bauer or CCM, you know, apple to apples. Who's better performer.... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chippa13 1844 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 I think the answer is it is still individual, otherwise every NHLer except the "heel to toe" guys (who are very few and far between) would all be in the same skate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, stick9 said: And there lies the issue. You can't compare a retail offering to a custom. Hell, they aren't even in the same price point. So for the sake of discussion, lets put a True up against a custom Bauer or CCM, you know, apple to apples. Who's better performer.... My ULTA tacks are custom. And yes I'm a horrible skater but it's not even close for me. I guess to be fair I have worked with them from the beginning. My grafs are the closest in feel and performance I think. Price point is exactly the same here FYI Edited January 30, 2018 by oldtrainerguy28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theinfamoust94 30 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 My dads interested in a pair of those Trues but doesn't know how much they cost. My brother talked him into a pair of 1x's that are hurting him. If someone could give me even a broad range I'd appreciate it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtrainerguy28 478 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, theinfamoust94 said: What is the price for a pair of True skates? I'm looking all over the website but can't find a solid answer 999.9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theinfamoust94 30 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, oldtrainerguy28 said: 999.9 Thank you.. posted a second time but didn't get the notification.. Is that US or CAN? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoot_the_goalie 281 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) True Skates, as far as I know, in the US are $949 base with the stock Step Holder/Step Steel, and standard tongues. Impact protection is an additional $50 per pair. Not sure the cost of other customizations. These prices don't include sales tax. Edited January 30, 2018 by shoot_the_goalie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flip12 712 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, stick9 said: And there lies the issue. You can't compare a retail offering to a custom. Hell, they aren't even in the same price point. So for the sake of discussion, lets put a True up against a custom Bauer or CCM, you know, apple to apples. Who's better performer.... What about comparing custom to custom? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chippa13 1844 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 That is exactly what the second sentence you quoted recommends. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cavs019 708 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) There's literally no way to test this unless you are doing straight line speed or agility tests with a skating robot. Too much emphasis on personal preference and feel when it comes to skates. You can't really measure comfort and edge confidence with a normalized metric- otherwise Marleau probably would have ditched his 9Ks a long time ago despite being in the top percentile of skaters walking this planet. Some pro drivers prefer the road feel of a Lamborghini, some prefer Ferrari. Edited January 30, 2018 by Cavs019 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chocks86 82 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 From observation of comments on here from people who own them and have used them for a while, I would say that the benefits of a custom skate over a off the shelf retail skate are apparent. I know that most of you already know this, but keep in mind that most of the NHL players do in fact have custom made skates from Bauer or CCM, along with True. If you are happy with and can find a retail skate that works, that's great, it will save you some money... only if you don't buy the top of the model line,which are pretty much identical in price to a pair of Trues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chocks86 82 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 4 hours ago, shoot_the_goalie said: True Skates, as far as I know, in the US are $949 base with the stock Step Holder/Step Steel, and standard tongues. Impact protection is an additional $50 per pair. Not sure the cost of other customizations. These prices don't include sales tax. Some option prices (that I know of): Tongue embroidery: $25 Tguard Tongues (metatarsal guard): $25 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chocks86 82 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 3 hours ago, flip12 said: What about comparing custom to custom? Just to clarify, does Bauer or CCM even offer a fully fitted custom skate to regular retail customers right now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoot_the_goalie 281 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, chocks86 said: Some option prices (that I know of): Tongue embroidery: $25 Tguard Tongues (metatarsal guard): $25 Is it possible to buy replacement tongues directly through True, say if your current ones were to wear out? Or do you have to go through a retailer for special order? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chippa13 1844 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 42 minutes ago, chocks86 said: From observation of comments on here from people who own them and have used them for a while, I would say that the benefits of a custom skate over a off the shelf retail skate are apparent. I know that most of you already know this, but keep in mind that most of the NHL players do in fact have custom made skates from Bauer or CCM, along with True. If you are happy with and can find a retail skate that works, that's great, it will save you some money... only if you don't buy the top of the model line,which are pretty much identical in price to a pair of Trues. I think you'd be surprised at how little "custom" there is in many pros custom skates. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vet88 674 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, chocks86 said: Just to clarify, does Bauer or CCM even offer a fully fitted custom skate to regular retail customers right now? At this stage, no. Someone like JR could possibly better answer this but based on a recent discussion I had with a LHS owner - With Bauer you can select a tongue, heel size, forefoot width etc but its made from their last, not a last from your foot. CCM are about to offer a custom skate once their scanning platform is rolled out into retail stores but I'm not sure if it is truly based of your last or a last they have that is closest to your foot shape. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IPv6Freely 2092 Report post Posted January 30, 2018 44 minutes ago, shoot_the_goalie said: Is it possible to buy replacement tongues directly through True, say if your current ones were to wear out? Or do you have to go through a retailer for special order? I assume so, considering I just bought a set of insoles from True for my old VH skates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper9 529 Report post Posted January 31, 2018 Any of u guys have rivet issues? I know I've read it here and there in this thread but does the fact that the boot is full carbon make it harder for the rivets to hold and stay tight? I'm only 160 lbs and have never had rivet issues. The most recent holder swap I did, the place only used copper on the rear two. Whereas true did copper on the rear two of the back and front part of the holder, and I know Bauer adds one copper on the front rear instep as well. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stick9 890 Report post Posted January 31, 2018 58 minutes ago, Vet88 said: At this stage, no. Someone like JR could possibly better answer this but based on a recent discussion I had with a LHS owner - With Bauer you can select a tongue, heel size, forefoot width etc but its made from their last, not a last from your foot. CCM are about to offer a custom skate once their scanning platform is rolled out into retail stores but I'm not sure if it is truly based of your last or a last they have that is closest to your foot shape. I will of course defer to JR or mojo, but I am pretty sure you can. In fact, there is a member here who just received his custom Bauer’s. Some light reading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
