TBLfan

I believe the "C" is the amount of grip. With A, B, C and D being options. The "29" is what I'm unsure of. I got the stick from TSR, I think I got the last one but the guy I talked to said they had other P92s available.

I didn't mind, albeit I don't like the grip and it seems to be holding up better than previous grip sticks from Bauer, which kind of sucks. I'm not exactly happy that I was told it was non-grip but I'll live. Mine is a P92, not the pattern of choice but it will do. Good stick for $105. Only 3 hours of icetime with it but it's probably my second favorite OPS, behind the U+.

Ah, gotcha... I hear ya there, I tend to go a little whipper with the lower kickpoint sticks out of feel. I normally cruise between 85-95, preferably 95. On the one95s are they a mild stickum grip, not tactile?

An 87, a 107 and two 112? Not too picky eh?

I mean only using your inside edges, an inside edge on the ice at all times, barely moving your feet. Beginner skaters. I mean this: but worse and anywhere from 105lb girls to 320lb men on the same ice, with players that are at different levels of ability(maybe their first time on ice after playing 5 years of roller to never stepping on the ice before)... a beginner league of hockey.

If you could send me a pic with details(curve, profile pic, estimate on lie, standard/tapered) on the blade, I'd appreciate it.

I'm pretty sure the Kariya was more of a small mid. If you look at this one it looks like a tiny heel with a little more curve at the mid-toe, kind of like an EXTREMELY toned down Kovalchuk pro.

I haven't seen many most, I've seen have been v130s... that is not a v130 blade, those are pretty obvious as well. That certainly looks like a wood blade and possibly a v130 shaft.

You sure about that?

You don't get it. They are ALREADY flying into the boards and other players. By the time they have the ability to stop and turn, by all means put them on FBV. If you can't skate while not riding your inside edges, you shouldn't be on FBV.

Yeah but now they'd be carrying more speed. I've seen soo many guys go in head/shoulder first into the boards very hard and had to help too many guys and girls off the ice that I don't think adding any extra speed to the equation would help. Not everyone starts young, and not everyone starts with classes. I've coached guys that literally step on the ice for the first time, for a game. Add that to other people that can't stop and you have a bad mixture, speed and inability to turn/stop is a bad thing.

Looks like a nice little mid-toe, neutral face. I like it. Is it a OPS? If you hate it and the flex is right, dibs. :)

I'm not picking a fight, I'm telling you why it's a bad idea for beginners to be on FBV. Someone that is playing low level but can use their edges and most importantly STOP... by all means, hop on it.

I'd wait to change, get more used to the regular edges and later get FBV. Start driving your mom's 1986 Corolla before you step up to your dad's Porsche. While I agree with the second statement I dont see how well it stands up as an analogy. Learning to skate and using your edges is a lot easier when you don't add additional speed to the mix. I've seen plenty of guys, in coaching, that get going fast and go in hard to the boards because they can't turn or stop... Let's add some extra speed to that, great. I hadn't thought of that, good point. I don't have that problem now, but I can definitely see myself doing that if I was going faster. I'll hold off on it for now. Well there is a lot more to driving a high end car than "it goes faster" but I wont split hairs, I see your point but honestly, if they can go faster without putting as much effort into it I think that is a good thing, learning crossovers and other stuff harder IMHO when going slow than normal speed. By not putting as much effort into going a normal speed they can concentrate more on the maneuver's mechanics. Really? High-end sports cars have other differences from older economy cars? Really? No way. You shouldn't drive cars on ice either. I see new classes of beginner skaters every season and the last thing they need is increased speed with less effort. They need to learn how to put out effort to gain muscle strength and endurance needed for hockey. Go ahead and compare a beginner's skaters endurance on the ice, at a slow speed, to someone who has played longer, at a higher speed. STILL, with the slow speed, the beginner is going to be tired a LOT faster. Letting them be lazy isn't going to help. Now you want them to learn how to do crossovers when they can't maintain "normal" speed without help? Basically you're wanting them to run when they can barely walk, actually no... you want them to run with crossovers before they can walk... oh and they still have trouble stopping... Again, good idea.

I'd wait to change, get more used to the regular edges and later get FBV. Start driving your mom's 1986 Corolla before you step up to your dad's Porsche. While I agree with the second statement I dont see how well it stands up as an analogy. Learning to skate and using your edges is a lot easier when you don't add additional speed to the mix. I've seen plenty of guys, in coaching, that get going fast and go in hard to the boards because they can't turn or stop... Let's add some extra speed to that, great.

I'd wait to change, get more used to the regular edges and later get FBV. Start driving your mom's 1986 Corolla before you step up to your dad's Porsche.

You can never have enough. Simpson gloves showed up today. Too short in the fingers though.

Dibs. I wouldn't mind a third pair. ;)

Just remember that Superfeet don't properly support everyone's foot. I ditched mine pretty fast, although they felt better when I removed the plastic heel cup. The grip is improved over the last set of Vapors simply because it's not throughout the insole, which caused the insole to stick to my socks and bunch up... many times I had to take the skates back off and fix the insole. It was pretty annoying. Obviously, they also added a lot of drainage holes in the insole, again... an improvement. The heel pad is just comfortable. I'm not sure about any shock dampening but the CCM FIT insoles were just comfortable for me. If you compared the previous Vapor insoles, you'd understand why I mentioned this feature as a big surprise/improvement. That last picture is great, it really shows the texture of the liner.

All first line dealers should have them in stock.

These are more like the CCM FIT insoles but with grip areas. Superfeet insoles are completely different.

They are nice skates. I was definitely impressed with the new line, they look better in person and they feel great. Adding on to what I said before... The tendon guard is a little stiffer that the already stiff XXXX tendon guard. I'm not a fan of the tongue... I truly was blown away with the liner, you guys need to check it out, very nice. The insoles are great too, grippy on the toes and around the heel instead of across the length of the footbed. It's nice to see a non-cheap insole in a Bauer skate. I hope they sell them separately. I can't really comment on weight since my holders are 296 and the X:60s I checked out were 272s... nearly any skate with 272s will feel lighter than my skates.

So, the 60 is deeper than the xxxx? A size up would mean a deeper skate, it's pretty obvious.

I didn't find it very comfortable.

Checked them out. I love the liner and the insole! To me the depth of the skate looks like a Vapor XXXX with a size up in the quarters. It's a nice skate, so is the X:50. I was impressed.