Bauer Supreme TotalONE

[uclahockey707 1]

Hey JR,

Everyone is making such a big deal about the steel on these skates, I've seen the pics and what not and you guys keep saying they're very light, but what technically is so special about this design that makes it better than the classical steel on most mid range skates?

Thanks

Weight-wise, the steel, particularly on larger skates, is one of the biggest culprits. I noticed a big difference between the weight of my Vapor XXXXs to one95s... Why? The wider one95 boot allowed for a 296 holder over a 288.

BTW, you can get on Bauer for the prices of their high-end skates all you want but they have some of the best value mid-range skates available. If anyone in the market is price gouging, it's been CCM/Reebok(up until just recently) and Graf.

Thats crazy, I never really thought that the steel itself increased the weight of these skates that much. Especially since I wear a larger size skate, I bet the weight loss would be more significant.

Now this conversation is making me want to try these things...damn these hockey boards!!! :D

I remember JR saying that this skate is totally different than the other supreme line skates, by that does he mean that these skates fall somewhere in between the vapor and supreme line in terms of the pitch of the skate or is this sticking with the same style as previous years supremes? Basically, what I wanted to know was if I like the supreme line currently and didn't like the fit or the skating with the vapor line, are the TO worth checking out?

Thanks everyone

[roscoe6 1]

uclahockey707 - In regard to the weight question, you have to take into consideration that the farther away from your core the said weight is, the more effect you will be able to tell, even when dropping a seemingly small amount of weight.

EX:) Shaving weight from a pair of breezers/shoulder pads/elbow pads wouldn't make that noticeable of a weight difference when playing. On the other hand; losing weight on a piece of gear such as your skates (especially your runners/blades) that is far away from your core would be very noticeable. I hope that made sense...

That being said; holding the skates in your hands side by side, like DarkStar50 was talking about, can only give you a general idea of how much weight difference there is. Actually skating in them would allow you to really feel the difference. Same principle as CCM's Rocket Runners, but hopefully with more practical results.

[shotty 7]

Hey JR,

Everyone is making such a big deal about the steel on these skates, I've seen the pics and what not and you guys keep saying they're very light, but what technically is so special about this design that makes it better than the classical steel on most mid range skates?

Thanks

Weight-wise, the steel, particularly on larger skates, is one of the biggest culprits. I noticed a big difference between the weight of my Vapor XXXXs to one95s... Why? The wider one95 boot allowed for a 296 holder over a 288.

BTW, you can get on Bauer for the prices of their high-end skates all you want but they have some of the best value mid-range skates available. If anyone in the market is price gouging, it's been CCM/Reebok(up until just recently) and Graf.

Thats crazy, I never really thought that the steel itself increased the weight of these skates that much.

i was the same until i took the steel off the skate and held them apart from one and other. i'm excited to hear more about this innovation.

proof the the sport isn't dying: $800 skates exist, and of the 1000 that are being produced, they're all spoken for (from what i've heard).

[VakarLajos 5]

Previous gems of wisdom from the new soul of MSH,

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...&pid=692839

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...&pid=693128

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...&pid=693463

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...&pid=691826

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...&pid=691291

And if you really want to laugh

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...&pid=737182

1052 1st generation? Yeah, right........

A CCM fan boy.................

From now on I will be listening to him and only him. I'm not going to pay attention to the dozen or so people here that had MAJOR defects on their CCMs after a week or two skating in them. Or the coaches who can't wait to get back into their Bauers after coaching in the RBKs. Or my own feet.

This 23 year old with no qualifications has shown me the way.

proof the the sport isn't dying: $800 skates exist, and of the 1000 that are being produced, they're all spoken for (from what i've heard).

Not true. They may have all been allotted to specific retailers, but there are retailers who haven't sold theirs yet.

[Chadd 916]

You guys can get back on topic or get started on your holiday vacations.

[camhockey16 5]

excuse my ignorance but what is the reason players flop their tongues over? is it just for more ankle movement/flexibility? or just coolness factor?

i would think you lose a little bit of protection but then gain some flexibility

[Chadd 916]

excuse my ignorance but what is the reason players flop their tongues over? is it just for more ankle movement/flexibility? or just coolness factor?

i would think you lose a little bit of protection but then gain some flexibility

You gain no movement over simply sliding the shin pad behind the tongue, strictly for appearance.

[DarkStar50 680]

uclahockey707 - In regard to the weight question, you have to take into consideration that the farther away from your core the said weight is, the more effect you will be able to tell, even when dropping a seemingly small amount of weight.

EX:) Shaving weight from a pair of breezers/shoulder pads/elbow pads wouldn't make that noticeable of a weight difference when playing. On the other hand; losing weight on a piece of gear such as your skates (especially your runners/blades) that is far away from your core would be very noticeable. I hope that made sense...

That being said; holding the skates in your hands side by side, like DarkStar50 was talking about, can only give you a general idea of how much weight difference there is. Actually skating in them would allow you to really feel the difference. Same principle as CCM's Rocket Runners, but hopefully with more practical results.

Regarding this point raised about the weight difference and how and when you would feel it, I showed my TO skates to a friend of mine. He is a hockey dad that won a bronze medal in figure skating in the 1964 Olympics. We matched up the size 6 TO with a size 6 ONE95. The first comment he made was that the lighter skate from the steel would easily keep a player stronger longer deep into the game. The less energy burned through the repetition of legs lifts and C cuts would help a skater benefit from the lighter steel. The Rocket Runner had the principle but not the application. The Rocket Runner was just a PIA to sharpen. There is no such problem with sharpening Fusion steel.

[roscoe6 1]

uclahockey707 - In regard to the weight question, you have to take into consideration that the farther away from your core the said weight is, the more effect you will be able to tell, even when dropping a seemingly small amount of weight.

EX:) Shaving weight from a pair of breezers/shoulder pads/elbow pads wouldn't make that noticeable of a weight difference when playing. On the other hand; losing weight on a piece of gear such as your skates (especially your runners/blades) that is far away from your core would be very noticeable. I hope that made sense...

That being said; holding the skates in your hands side by side, like DarkStar50 was talking about, can only give you a general idea of how much weight difference there is. Actually skating in them would allow you to really feel the difference. Same principle as CCM's Rocket Runners, but hopefully with more practical results.

Regarding this point raised about the weight difference and how and when you would feel it, I showed my TO skates to a friend of mine. He is a hockey dad that won a bronze medal in figure skating in the 1964 Olympics. We matched up the size 6 TO with a size 6 ONE95. The first comment he made was that the lighter skate from the steel would easily keep a player stronger longer deep into the game. The less energy burned through the repetition of legs lifts and C cuts would help a skater benefit from the lighter steel. The Rocket Runner had the principle but not the application. The Rocket Runner was just a PIA to sharpen. There is no such problem with sharpening Fusion steel.

Good to hear.

DS50 - In your opinion are they worth the $120 or $150 price tag for the set? Would putting the Fusion steel on a 'heavier' skate such as a XXXX be that beneficial/noticeable?

[Law Goalie 147]

With respect to the throat of the skate, it appears that the liner has been wrapped over the top at the ankle and onto the outside of the skate. Does this go along with the foam lining at the throat that was on some pro/custom orders? Is the object simply to increase comfort, or will this also help to slow wear on the liner at the ankle?

Very speculative question: any word on when the ALIVE material in general and the tongue inserts in particular might make their way into the goalie boots?

[JR Boucicaut 3808]

LG - it's for comfort but I can see where the second part of your question comes in.

Roscoe - I couldn't imagine how you wouldn't feel the difference. One of my to-dos is to add a set of LS2 on the TOs and seeing what I feel.

[DarkStar50 680]

LG - it's for comfort but I can see where the second part of your question comes in.

Roscoe - I couldn't imagine how you wouldn't feel the difference. One of my to-dos is to add a set of LS2 on the TOs and seeing what I feel.

I had planned the same idea with going ONE95 and TO on a morning practice skate. I think I already know the answer. It will be about the feel to confirm. And Roscoe, I agree with JR that switching out for Fusion steel would be worth it if you can afford it. The MSRP(I'll have to confirm later today in the shop) did surprise me in October before I skated on them and felt the benefits in the last two weeks. However, in my shop we sell $500+ figure blades only so I think Fusion steel is pretty reasonable. And let's not start the cost of hockey gear now whine. We are talking about top-of-the-line product.

[NorrisContender 4]

LG - it's for comfort but I can see where the second part of your question comes in.

My one90's are wearing in the area in question. When I saw the TO's my first thought was "that would help reduce the wear from my shin guards rubbing on my one90's". I can certainly see how the added material can be comfort and durability upgrade.

[Law Goalie 147]

I've noticed it on absolutely every skate I own, but moreso (of course) on stiffer skates with thinner liners - that is to say, more modern skates. It takes eons to go through good kid leather with blunt friction, and almost as long through good heavy PU leather (Clarino, Jenpro, whatever) - some of the newer, thinner, quick-dry synthetics, not so much.

The funny thing is that the exact opposite used to be epidemic on goalie skates. The soft low-density foam that wrapped around the ankle and down the Achilles' had (usually) a white leather covering that would go to pieces in no time. It's a bit like the problem of building gussets in goalie pads. If you've got a stiff, high-density body to the pad, you need LD foam in the gussets to keep it from grinding through the Jenpro; if you have an LD body, you need HD gussets to give it some support and structure, or you get a different and equally ugly kind of wear on the shell of the pad.

[JR Boucicaut 3808]

Updated the thread - had a issue with one skate but all it took was a reseating of my foot and relace.

[jsmart 0]

Just read your update and...I'm sure if I look through some of your other posts I'll find it, but do you skate barefoot? Also when you say you relaced it did you totally relace it and what method of lacing did you use and type of laces?

Sorry for all the questions...but "I wanna go fast!"

[bostonbruins 0]

Just read your update and...I'm sure if I look through some of your other posts I'll find it, but do you skate barefoot? Also when you say you relaced it did you totally relace it and what method of lacing did you use and type of laces?

Sorry for all the questions...but "I wanna go fast!"

I think JR skates with socks on as I remember him saying he didn't have his own pair for the MSHS and that is why they were uncomfortable.

[JR Boucicaut 3808]

Damn, Jamey...

Nah I just did it on the bench, loosened the skate, put my foot back in, relaced and it was fine.

Graf laces by the way.

[jsmart 0]

and how do you lace them? traditional?

are the Graf laces waxed?

sorry for asking more questions but -- it's the fastest that gets paid and the fastest that get laid!

[tjl_48 0]

Are these going to be available for custom orders? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere yet. My feet are 2 different sizes so i think I am going to go the custom route on my next pair.

[JR Boucicaut 3808]

I have not heard that they won't be. Most likely orders will be submittable on Apr 1.

[sebseb 0]

reply moved in the 2010 bauer catalogue section, you can delete this one

[Law Goalie 147]

Texalium is strictly decorative. It's a thin layer of fibreglass coated with aluminum. Doesn't change the way the underlying material behaves.

[JR Boucicaut 3808]

POV on the TotalONE from a Bauer whore.

I want to start that I haven't seen the skate or anything, I just want to say something about the new Bauer skates and what I understood from the 2010 catalog. First, the top of the line in the supremes is the TotalOne, the reason I think it has a limited number of pairs is the price, not something like a one-off or something special that is going to be discontinued. Now, what I really don't like about the new line, well first the price of the top of the line in my opinion is to high, but they got new tech in them so I'll give them that, second would be that they did not incorporate any new tech in the One100, it's the one95 with a different tongue and color scheme and that won't justify the price when they'll come out. Another thing, the ONE80 which should be a ONE75 doesn't have the texalium outsole, just a full composite, whatever that is.

In conclusion, I think the TotalONE is going to change the hockey skate forever, I mean we are talking about specs that if someone else hears them would think at first we're talking about supercars, but I really don't like is the price and not the fact that is to high for a pair of skates, is that there is a first now. I am 100% sure that when the new vapor line will appear, it will be the same thing all over again, with a 800$ top of the line skate and that's cool, but I hope that some new tech found in the top vapor will find a place in the next lower model and won't be the case of a super vapor and the next lower end just a x:60 with a different paint job.

And why is this in my skate review thread and not in the catalogue thread?

[sebseb 0]

ma bad JR ;) sry. can you please move the post in the right thread. thank you