Bauer Supreme TotalONE

[Evomike1 0]

I think some people just need to realize that they will never own a skate like this. Maybe in 5 years when this technology is cheap, but not at the moment. I left Hockey (financial reasons) 4 years ago to start full time competing in Triathlons. I am constantly bombarded with the next most expensive road bike or other piece of equipment that promises more speed or endurance. Me on my 2k bike passes others on 5-6k rides at every race. What we must remember is train the engine (player) first, better equipment comes later. For some, last years best will be enough and nothing will replace skill in skating. That said I still enjoy reading and learning about new technologies in sports equipment, maybe one day I will be able to afford them. But, its silly to be bitter because other people can...

[syko_hockey 0]

I think some people just need to realize that they will never own a skate like this. Maybe in 5 years when this technology is cheap, but not at the moment. I left Hockey (financial reasons) 4 years ago to start full time competing in Triathlons. I am constantly bombarded with the next most expensive road bike or other piece of equipment that promises more speed or endurance. Me on my 2k bike passes others on 5-6k rides at every race. What we must remember is train the engine (player) first, better equipment comes later. For some, last years best will be enough and nothing will replace skill in skating. That said I still enjoy reading and learning about new technologies in sports equipment, maybe one day I will be able to afford them. But, its silly to be bitter because other people can...

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[raganblink 82]

vath - the skate is THAT fucking cool. Basically it would be a 700 dollar skate if it weren't for the fusion steel, so there you can kind of see what the difference in costs are compared to a 500 dollar one100 without the ls2.1 steel. There is still 200 more dollars + in developement and material difference between the two.

There isn't a market for you maybe in these skates, or by the sound of it, any top-line skate that hasn't been on a shelf for 3 years, so why go off like that? But believe it or not there is a market for these skates. Limited and not large, but still, a market. Just like there is a 600 dollar market, a 400 dollar market, etc. Mainly Junior players and people who want the best available. Will the one100 with fusion steel sell alot better than the TO? Ofcourse. But the boot itself will still be a little heavier.

Anyways, JR and DS50 and the others who have seen it aren't exaggerating, they aren't "selling" the skate to anyone. JR gets shit from a lot of companies to try, so why would he sell one hardcore and then not be able to demo anyone elses stuff?

and as for asking how much skates cost bauer or whoever to actually make, then they sell them to dealers with reps getting a cut of the sale in there, unknown by me, but if i did, i'd never tell you. basically that is like the biggest dick thing i've seen asked here. watching the next 15 replies rip on you will be funny....

[TBLfan 25]

JR demo-ed a pair of U+ skates too, he's also had Mission and Easton S15s(I believe) skates to demo. Kind of hard to be biased at someone "giving you something" at that point.

[ZombieAttack27 1]

Can't wait till these skates come out regardless of cost

[DEATHTRON 19]

JR, In your review thread, you mentioned that you were glad to have responsiveness back. Did you find that youre one95's were sort of...dead..for lack of better terms? When I wore the Easton composite skates, I felt they gave me alot of "kick" (that whole 'recoil' thing they pitch), however, my one95's never felt even close to that.

Your thoughts? Is this reponsiveness because of the new tongues? Or something different done to this particular skate?

Zach

[ZombieAttack27 1]

Agreed... although they tore up my feet, I did appreciate the "kick" of the s15's

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

I'm not sure if that whole diatribe was directed at me as I've been very general about my answers as I haven't skated long enough to formulate an opinion like that, but me getting seeded with product as opposed to buying it will not alter the way I do my reviews. (Ironically enough the same argument was made when I got my last pair of skates.)

The difference is that I am in the position to offer constructive criticism of a product because I am dealing with the persons who have made the product. They appreciate what I have to say on a technical standpoint. I've NEVER received a product from a marketing employee. However, I do understand that it is a benefit for better or for worse for me to have the product early - there will be a full review by the time the skate hits stores. But, I'm not, and I won't be in a position to offer a cupcake review to boost sales, and those who I deal with at those companies do not expect that from me.

Zach - I rode ONE95 into the ground. Normally I go a year between brands, but my test skate last year was U+ and it didn't work out well enough for me to stay with it, so I stayed on ONE95 for an additional year.

Vathsdrop - I will cover the tech specs in the Catalogue review. It will all make sense in the end. Right now this thread is about how the skates work.

First the price ... 800dollars apparently few seem to realize that's a full wage for a lot of people... and we have our guy who declares he needs more time to figure out if extra 400-300 dollars are worth compare to the one95 ... my days guys!!! get back to earth! quickly...

Would you respect me if I told you it was the best skate in the world after 1 use?

Sorry, but that's not the way I roll.

[camhockey16 5]

maybe vath was just having a bad day - that kind of came out of left field

all this is - is a thread for people who are genuinely interested in the skate and have questions - and JR sharing what info he is allowed to - i've never seen him try to drum up business for any particular company even if he happens to be *friendly with those people

*fixed

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Not friends, these are all professional relationships.

[roscoe6 1]

Anyway...

JR - How is that flop coming? ;)

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Good.

[automorph 0]

First the price ... 800dollars apparently few seem to realize that's a full wage for a lot of people... and we have our guy who declares he needs more time to figure out if extra 400-300 dollars are worth compare to the one95 ... my days guys!!! get back to earth! quickly...

what can i say while you may like to drop $xxx at a bar, huge tv/stereo, luxury car, other hobbies

mine is hockey and that is where I spend my $ ;)

[shifter 0]

First the price ... 800dollars apparently few seem to realize that's a full wage for a lot of people... and we have our guy who declares he needs more time to figure out if extra 400-300 dollars are worth compare to the one95 ... my days guys!!! get back to earth! quickly...

what can i say while you may like to drop $xxx at a bar, huge tv/stereo, luxury car, other hobbies

mine is hockey and that is where I spend my $ ;)

Hahaha nice another thing is the x:60 is already around 700-800cdn and if the to is 800$ US it's definitely going to hit a probably around 1000cdn lol..

[MLSman 22]

To all that just don't know, JR does a great job of providing objectivity not only about skate technology, but the best skate available based on your individual needs, likes, and price.

He and I debated...for some time...about what skate would be best for me. Without his objective advice, I would have done the NBH thing I had done for about 4 years now going XX to XXX to XXXX to One95. After actually listening to what I like in a skate and sizing me, I went with the U+ pro 2009 and I am very happy.

With that said, we have also seriously discussed AND have seen first hand the differences of the One100 and the TotalOne. Since I am such a fan of the Custom+ holder and a die hard thick 5/8" felt tongue, the One100 makes more sense for me than the TotalOne. Being that the boots are inherently the same, what matters is whether or not the technology that comes from the TotalOne would be advantageous to me. That is EXACTLY why in the case of a situation where there are two top end skate choices from the same manufacturer, personal preference is key in determining the right choice.

[furlanitalia 1]

Just to be safe I put my name down for a pair at the hockey shop. Knowing they might not fit right Im hoping that by the time they are out JR's and DS50's thoughts will help me make a proper decision and which boot will be best for me.

Anyway, considering I had imagined them to be a $1200 skate, when they told me what they'll actually cost I wasn't that blown away, it seems fairly reasonable. I realize this could change though.

[TBLfan 25]

The price isn't that bad considering the cost of the steel and the added technology.

With that being said, I'm not buying a pair.

[DarkStar50 679]

Just to be safe I put my name down for a pair at the hockey shop. Knowing they might not fit right Im hoping that by the time they are out JR's and DS50's thoughts will help me make a proper decision and which boot will be best for me.

Anyway, considering I had imagined them to be a $1200 skate, when they told me what they'll actually cost I wasn't that blown away, it seems fairly reasonable. I realize this could change though.

If you like ONE95s and they fit you right, then TOs are a skate to be looked at for you. I just spent 6 weeks in X:60s but never felt the boot fit for me was as right as the boot fit for me on my ONE95s. I was just getting ready to go back to my ONE95s when the TO test pair arrived.

[jsmart 0]

Vath:

I'm a terrible hockey player with lots of disposable income...

will they make me faster? hell no

would a gym (and a diet)? hell yea

but I'll buy them (I'll even pay for customs if they're avalible)...and my guess is there are plenty of others just like me or they wouldn't make them.

As far as calling out JR out...Like MLS I spent quite a bit of time working with JR on customs after going through at least $1500 in other skates (CCM, RBK, and NBH). I spent a large amount of money, but got the ONLY skates to fit me perfectly.

I don't want to speak for JR, but what good would it do him to get people on the site geeked up for a shit product (or any product)? Fast forward...the product becomes available; we buy it, it sucks, we all rip him, the product, and the site. He would lose credibility and members real quick and would have little value to the hockey companies that look for feedback on upcoming products. All the free product in the world is a waste (and would go away real quick) when nobody visits MSH.

Come on think before you post so you don't make yourself look stupid. If you thought your rant might get you on the review committee I think it backfired.

[K9 Unit 1]

why do i feel like vath's getting paid to rant about bauer?

anyways JR, i was wondering what you profile your blade to...just a curious question

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

Let's get back on topic.

You guys will have plenty of time to discuss the skate in the catalogue thread.

K9 = 9', neutral (w/o heel lifts in)

[jsmart 0]

have they given a street price or is it ($800-$1200) all speculation?

[lohnman 0]

will the TotalONE be availale in C widths?

[JR Boucicaut 3802]

No. ONE100 will though.

[Vathsdrop 0]

Oye oye

I'm using some CCM tacks 952 (2002 maybe) i put them on the picture topic B)

Ok last OT:

First I don't know how you guys got there - look like brainwash to me (or maybe the guys who posted are some teens???) - by reading some of you we could almost think that bauer is a charitable organisation... damn... no need to graduate from Harvard to see that at 800dollars the margin is huge, actually it's very impressive to see some people justifying the price saying it's perfectly normal.. I thought only Apple manage to do this ... bauer screws you deep and you're asking for more obviously it would be stupid to decrease their prices since they are some dumbasses happily convince to spend their money ... BUT I understand that you can see a nice treat for yourself even if everybody knows that players who the skates are actually designed for have them for free (at 800dollars the unit you probably pay for their free pairs). But i respect that i'm still a student so i can't really judge. But please don't turn into apple stupid fans...

But just by curiosity ask for the price of these skates when they exit the factory... of course some will probably argue R&D cost

Second it sucks JR'dick as usual B) You guys got the point. This board is different than others because of members like him. But before these guys use to give some true/more interesting thoughs maybe more general about the positioning of the skate, the price point, manufacturing, was much more objective and we learned a lot on the skate beyond the specs-sheet... basically they were fully explaining the gear and did not come out with the marketing bullshit.

... no only talking about the skate fit/specs/durability... Others boards do that as well and in perhaps a better way midjetAAA/pro/semi-pro/...etc or other truely skilled players are (to me) in a better position to review some gears than JR&papy inc.

But our guys have a huge knowledge but they share it with us less and less.. they seem to be more and more hands and feet tied by the companies seeing how they respect/fallow scrupulously companies instructions. I never really understand the point in saying "i have the stuff but i can't say anything yet im waiting for the green signal..."

Just a bit dissappointed that's it ... MSH is losing it soul. No more free electrons opening their mouth liking criticizing for their own sake.. just a bunch of sheeps sitting quietly <_<

JR - To me, here, you are like James Cameron doing its press conference on AVATAR,, people are asking basic questions, you are here to answer -> selling and defending your movie. Look back at your previous initial thoughts topics it's nothing like that.