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2 hours ago, crispy92 said:

So second bake worked for heel lock it seems from just sitting in my apartment. I tried flexing my foot walking around and they barely moved if at all (although now my toes do not touch unless I reach for the cap.) 

Kinda wish they could use the Saran Wrap on the bottom of the boot from like the 4th lowest eyelet down as my I can lift the balls of my feet off the insole slightly. It almost fits like running shoes where  my toes can splay and move freely. Idk if this is good or bad honestly as the heel is locked but something to note.

 Where is your tongue positioned? If they are stock height, lower them so they fill up more dead space. Mine are about 1/2 way into the toe box and I also made my version of powerfeet shims that pretty mich eliminate any toe wiggle for me. 

You can use tensor wrap on the lower eyelets. 

This is how I baked mine. GButbSl.jpeg

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54 minutes ago, Sniper9 said:

 Where is your tongue positioned? If they are stock height, lower them so they fill up more dead space. Mine are about 1/2 way into the toe box and I also made my version of powerfeet shims that pretty mich eliminate any toe wiggle for me. 

You can use tensor wrap on the lower eyelets. 

This is how I baked mine. GButbSl.jpeg

I had that sitting in my car when I baked them lmao what a dummy I am. Ya I have the power feet and I’ll have to give them a try. Do you cut them to where the tongue ends or do you just overlap them? My tongues are adjusted to where the end is above where my toe “knuckles” are for lack of a better term. Any lower and the tongue sits weird on the crook of my ankle. 
 

Would a spot heat with a hair dryer on the forefoot work potentially to get the same affect. Not really trying to bake them a 3rd time. 

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19 minutes ago, crispy92 said:

I had that sitting in my car when I baked them lmao what a dummy I am. Ya I have the power feet and I’ll have to give them a try. Do you cut them to where the tongue ends or do you just overlap them? My tongues are adjusted to where the end is above where my toe “knuckles” are for lack of a better term. Any lower and the tongue sits weird on the crook of my ankle. 
 

Would a spot heat with a hair dryer on the forefoot work potentially to get the same affect. Not really trying to bake them a 3rd time. 

Before u bake just use the powerfoot inserts do whatever works for you and feels comfortable. I made my own out of Eva foam from the dollar store which is much firmer and not like a sponge and won't pack in after a while like powertoots do. 

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I am finding with the TF9 that even after dropping to a 6R from a 6.5D in Bauer Vapor 1X, they're still a half size too big. Has anyone else who uses the regular sizing found that they were a full size down from bauer/ccm in true?

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My TF9s (all 3 of them) have opened up a bit after use, but I don’t think I could have gone down another half size from what I wore in Bauer. A 1/4 size smaller would likely be perfect, but not worth the money to go customs when the retail skates fit close enough 

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1 hour ago, JSchultz said:

I am finding with the TF9 that even after dropping to a 6R from a 6.5D in Bauer Vapor 1X, they're still a half size too big. Has anyone else who uses the regular sizing found that they were a full size down from bauer/ccm in true?

I’m probably closer to an 8.5 or 8 In the 3x pro when I tried them on and I’m currently down to a 7 and maybe could’ve tried 6.5. After two bakes my twos don’t really touch the cap unless I try

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Just now, crispy92 said:

I’m probably closer to an 8.5 or 8 In the 3x pro when I tried them on and I’m currently down to a 7 and maybe could’ve tried 6.5. After two bakes my twos don’t really touch the cap unless I try

Yeah, this is where i am at after 1 bake. I have to try and slide my toes up to touch the cap. Thinking about doing another bake just to see what would happen.

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I ended up moving on from my TF9's. I have very low volume feet and the R width was still a bit too deep even with the thicker felt tongues. I also didn't feel comfortable dropping down to a 280 holder from 288. Always felt like I was working harder and not going as fast. Found some new last gen True pro stocks that fit me like a glove. 

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1 hour ago, Monty22 said:

I ended up moving on from my TF9's. I have very low volume feet and the R width was still a bit too deep even with the thicker felt tongues. I also didn't feel comfortable dropping down to a 280 holder from 288. Always felt like I was working harder and not going as fast. Found some new last gen True pro stocks that fit me like a glove. 

Nice! I hate dropping down holder sizes. I usually skate on a 271/272 but recently borrowed a friends skates that are pro stock Patrick Kane and they have a 280 holder. I love the 280 holder on a size 7.25 skate. I might actually tinker with going up a holder size!

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14 hours ago, JSchultz said:

I am finding with the TF9 that even after dropping to a 6R from a 6.5D in Bauer Vapor 1X, they're still a half size too big. Has anyone else who uses the regular sizing found that they were a full size down from bauer/ccm in true?

I am a full size down from my Easton Makos and what I measure on a Brannock, but a half size from my Bauer 3D scan. I wear 8EE Makos, measure 8 on a Brannock, scan as a 7.5 Fit 3 Bauer and have 7W True TF9s converted for inline. Before baking an 8W TF9 was obviously too long, a 7.5W felt perfect and a 7W felt small with my toes hard against the cap. Even after a bake the 7W felt a little tight, but after a second bake and about 10 hours of skating they felt like the right length. If I hadn't watched @Hills video and read sizing comments here before hand, I would have likely went with the 7.5W. 

I would say that you want your toes hard against the cap before baking as long as they're flat and not bent. If you can't feel the front now, I would go down a half size, especially if you are within the 30 day window. 

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24 minutes ago, althoma1 said:

I am a full size down from my Easton Makos and what I measure on a Brannock, but a half size from my Bauer 3D scan. I wear 8EE Makos, measure 8 on a Brannock, scan as a 7.5 Fit 3 Bauer and have 7W True TF9s converted for inline. Before baking an 8W TF9 was obviously too long, a 7.5W felt perfect and a 7W felt small with my toes hard against the cap. Even after a bake the 7W felt a little tight, but after a second bake and about 10 hours of skating they felt like the right length. If I hadn't watched @Hills video and read sizing comments here before hand, I would have likely went with the 7.5W. 

I would say that you want your toes hard against the cap before baking as long as they're flat and not bent. If you can't feel the front now, I would go down a half size, especially if you are within the 30 day window. 

I have fixed 4 people I know personally for sizing issues with the TF skates outside of a store environment since they released... not to mention all of the people online.

Would've been a nice thing for True to acknowledge the sizing discrepancies to ensure people are actually in the correct size skate compared to skates they are used too.

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I tried out the 6.0Rs on the ice after having started with a 7.0R, then a 6.5R.  I thought there was no chance 6.0 would've worked, but even with only 1 bake they were near perfect. Maybe 1/4 size too small still if anything (expecting them to open up a tad more with a 2nd bake and usage), but overall this was the fit/feel I was expecting to get. No more forefoot slop, still the same great heel lock, and nice ankle mobility.  For reference, I was a 7.5D mako II, and a 7.5D super tacks.  Definitely not in the norm I'm thinking to have dropped 1.5 sizes, but if anything I would say don't be scared to keep trying smaller.

 

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Another game on my TF9's, and I'm happier with the fit of the boot, but for the life of me still haven't adjusted to the pitch and/or profile.  Almost feeling like being in a 254 holder now is also throwing me off.  I definitely feel too much on the toes, at 2 points yesterday I even hard toe picked into the Ice just going forward stride causing me to trip.

 

Gonna give them another go tomorrow in a game but then unfortunately I don't have much for hockey in the next 2-3 weeks which eats into my 30 day trial.  Just cannot decide what to do....shim fronts? Prosharp profile stock steel? Switch to my CCM 263 holders and already profiled steel?  

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My guess is the Shift holder's forward pitch and small size (because the boots run very large) puts a lot of people on the upward curving toe rocker of the blade when they're used to having more "flat" there to balance on...pretty much the opposite to having the toe of new blades ground down to feel more natural a decade+ ago.

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How many hours have you been on the ice with them?  Even minor changes with my blades take me up to ten hours to fully adapt. 

If the boot fits you better than your other skates, you could go the profiling or  changing the holder way. 

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3 hours ago, hockeydad3 said:

How many hours have you been on the ice with them?  Even minor changes with my blades take me up to ten hours to fully adapt. 

If the boot fits you better than your other skates, you could go the profiling or  changing the holder way. 

Only 3 games so far with the size 6. I've had about 10 hours in the TF9s in total, but the other hours were experimenting with other bigger sizes, and those were a ballgame of different problems dealing with the fit of the boot. Now that those were mostly addressed I was hoping to focus on the fine tuning of them, just been a little difficult to find ice time.

 

Didn't think it would be so hard to adjust as I've been in makos for a long time, but just not over the past few years as I was in my super tacks. I will have to try and get to more ice times and ODR

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On 12/14/2021 at 8:39 PM, PBH said:

Nice! I hate dropping down holder sizes. I usually skate on a 271/272 but recently borrowed a friends skates that are pro stock Patrick Kane and they have a 280 holder. I love the 280 holder on a size 7.25 skate. I might actually tinker with going up a holder size!

Is this bc of stability? Seems like something more than preference bc most nhlers use oversize. 

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On 12/23/2021 at 2:02 PM, Sniper9 said:

Is this bc of stability? Seems like something more than preference bc most nhlers use oversize. 

I think the longer steel changes the balance point but also allows for more of a working area on the blade. It feels more stable overall compared to a 263. 

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Do you really think that changing the length of the blade by 3,4% will have a noticeable effect? 

I think tat it's more about the profile and the mounting point of the holder. This would mean that you could get a similar effect by profiling and/or a realignment of the holder. 

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10 hours ago, hockeydad3 said:

Do you really think that changing the length of the blade by 3,4% will have a noticeable effect? 

I think tat it's more about the profile and the mounting point of the holder. This would mean that you could get a similar effect by profiling and/or a realignment of the holder. 

I would normally agree with you but consider how such a significant number of high level players use oversized holders. I find I get better balance and toe snap out of a longer holder/steel combination.

I personally tell a noticeable difference between the same profile on a 263 vs a 271 regardless of altering the pivot and balance point to be similar. 

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How do you mount the holder? Do you align it with the center, the heel or the toe? And how are you sure that you don't change the pitch, pivot point and blade alignment? Is the longer holder also taller? Do you have to drill all holes? 

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On 12/26/2021 at 3:23 AM, hockeydad3 said:

How do you mount the holder? Do you align it with the center, the heel or the toe? And how are you sure that you don't change the pitch, pivot point and blade alignment? Is the longer holder also taller? Do you have to drill all holes? 

Thats a lot of questions. 

I align the holder to the center of the boot. This requires drilling many new holes, though sometimes a handful of them actually line up and can be reused. I tend to use a mix of carbon and epoxy to close all holes that cannot be reused before drilling and mounting. 

Pitch doesn't change. Holder height doesn't change. Steel height doesn't change. 

Pivot point does change. Since the holder itself is longer even when you mount the oversized holder centered to the boot you are moving the pivot point back. 

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Question for you guys regarding hot spots. I’ve got blisters a few times on the inner upper arch of my right foot. At first I thought it was my ‘tape tab’ to more easily remove my superfeet, but that didn’t seem to be it. From there I’ve tried using a rock/clamp to punch the area out and rebaked them with a tape bump on the spot of my foot. Both the clamp and the rebaked seem to have fixed the issue for a game or two, but I just got off two hours on the ice today and got a nice puckered piece of skin again. I’m kind of surprised it hasn’t callused over at this point, but I’m looking for other opinions on how to correct this. I don’t feel my foot moving in the boot and am not getting any hot spots elsewhere. For my next game I was going to swap out the superfeet for the stock insoles to see if that makes a difference, but in general I like superfeet and would prefer to keep them. 
 

thoughts/suggestions?

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What type of sock are you wearing? If it is cotton it is incredibly abrasive, especially when wet with sweat, even with the best fitting skates...blistering, as all on this forum know, is caused by movement of the foot in the boot. 

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Darn tough ultra thin wool socks. Been wearing them for years without issue. Maybe the boots have loosened up after a half season of use and I need to rebake them tighter? ie, a more compressed wrap in the forefoot and heel 

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