Sniper9

When you baked your cat pros did you follow the instructions? The reason I ask is bc the new instructions say to only bake for 6 mins Max. Which is far from the 10-15 mins for the vh and when true took over vh.

Oh and there was paperwork left in my box that showed they used a 7w shell. Nothing on the boot that indicated width but there was a stamp inside the boot stating the boot length was a 7.s Them using a wide boot was surprising bc although my feet aren't narrow I didn't think I needed a wide. But this makes sense since almost all retail skates give me rubbing on my pinky toes and forefoot area bc i have slim ankles and heels and a wider forefoot in proportion. So a fit 1 Bauer is great for my ankles and heels but not so much for tht forefoot. These being wide even felt snug on the sides so a regular would've been way too tight for sure.

Just got mine. My fitter didn't use the saran wrap technique which was fine bc after the bake it felt pretty locked in. After walking around the store it felt good. Better than my tf customs did after the first bake. The only thing was that it was tied up to the top eyelet and I usually drop that one. No big deal. I bring them home and test it out with the top eyelet dropped. Still felt good but less overall lock. Also because the skate wasn't wrapped during the bake the eyelets still flared a touch and although I didn't need to crank on the laces I still had to put more tension than I did for my tf customs which I don't need to put any tension on laces except the top two. After a few hrs I went out to a public skate. Aside from the iffy sharpening job from the shop, the skates felt pretty good overall except the pro tongue. Because it's thinner and the sides taper off, it doesn't provide enough cushion between my ankle and the inside of the boot which caused noticeable rubbing on both skates. Hopefully this is a tongue thing and not a skate thing. But either way I'm sure I can spot heat the area if changing the tongue doesn't work out. The feel of the skates felt very similar to my tf customs but I def felt the more tapered fit and lower volume toe cap. My tongue was positioned to where I didn't have to slide it into the toebox and there was very little wiggle ro for my toes. For my tf customs I had to slide the tongue down a bit and make my own diy power foot inserts to get the same feel in the toebox. The new genetix insoles are a huge upgrade from trues stock ones in the past. It actually supported my arch very well. I will say they are fairly thick though but not super spongey. I will keep them for a few skates and see if I'll ultimately go back to my trusted speedplates. My plan is to rebake these skates at home and use the saran wrap technique while using the felt tongue. Overall I'm impressed with the fit and feel. I can notice a touch more flexion over my tf customs but because I was just testing them out during a public skate, I can't say for certain and will update tomorrow when I play a game. Aside from the tongue issue that is likely causing ankle rub there's nothing to really complain about. The only thing I don't like is how the new foam feels so plush. This was the same with my tf customs until about a mth or so in when the foam breaks in a bit and the fit is less "soft" and more locked in. I had the steel profiled to quad 0 and didn't notice any real difference between the shift max holders/steel vs my previous SB 4.0 holder and Tuuk edge holder setups. This is for those wondering about pitch etc. With the steel profiled to quad 0 it felt like my tf customs that have the sb 4.0 holders on. The shift max dlc also felt very smooth. I'm currently waiting for my skates to be sharpened at my regular shop as I mentioned above the place I got my cat pros from did my regular 9/16 hollow but it literally felt like 5/8 or even 1". I got my regular place to go 1/2" just in case as I usually jump from 1/2"-9/16" so I'll get a sense of whether it was the sharpening job at the other place or the actual steel that caused it to feel like there was no bite. I dont think the edges were uneven or anything like that as it was both inside and outside edges that felt like there was no bite and I could keep sliding on them. Steel appeared straight too so that discounts a bent holder/steel. I'll update tomorrow! On a side note, is there anyone that actually like the tf pro tongues?

My cat pros have almost identical wrap as my tf customs. The video says otherwise but the gap between the eyelets are nearly identical and for both I need to drop the top eyelet for proper ankle flexion. So because the tf9 doesn't fit YOU, you're claiming it doesn't fit 85-90% of tht population. Basically you're saying you have the most avg foot out there (not sure how you can even back this up) and because of this you should have been one of the 85-90% that fit well in the tf9s.

Did you heat them up yourself or in store? In my experience the true customs are very formable so maybe the retail version is a bit diff. I think the retail tf9 instructions say to have them in the oven for 8 minutes? where the tf customs I have were 12-15 in the oven. They were so soft I could easily press down on the top of the forefoot and it would almost flatten. On another note, I think the catalyst line is best suited for you. I just got my catalyst pros baked in store. The cat pros are based off retails shell sizing and width so it should be fairly similar fit to retails in general in terms of length and width/volume. I'll make a more detailed post in the other vh thread but in general what I noticed was that the catalyst was much more narrow in the forefoot and overall fit. And the toecap def is lower volume. I felt the toecap the same volume as my tf customs after I made diy power foot inserts for my customs and lowered the tongue on my customs. The cat pros was baked and fitted normally in terms of no shrink wrap was used nor was it needed. The fit was very snug but bc true has nice foam lining in the forefoot and they don't use a two piece toecap system it didn't cause hot spots. It just felt like my foot was bring hugged all over. I was actually shocked how much better it felt than my tf customs after the first bake and not even needed a wrap. Heel lock is also better in the cat pros.

Or it just doesn't work for you and it does for the people that enjoy them. How is sizing down a "hack"? The skate either fits you lengthwise or it doesn't. Honestly from reading your posts, I already knew it wouldn't work for you. Dont even both getting a larger size. Might as well return the skates now otherwise it's just going to be 29 more days of you complaining about them.

How many trips are you counting when I say go to Canada to have your feet scanned and skates ordered. And having the skates shipped directly to your house and bake them at home.

Then like I said ship it to your house after the scan and order is placed in Canada

It's an ipad. Why don't you just get the scan done at your preferred shop and have the skates Shipped to your house and bake it urself. Or shipped to your house and you go to whatever shop to have it baked.

No I didn't say that. I actually don't know. But I do know that a shop in Ottawa did request the specs of a player's skates when they were doing work on it (after it was built), and true shared this information to them. The shop wasn't the same place that did the ordering. But this is different than what you're asking. But really, you think any shop is going to scan you and do all the work only to have another shop get paid for it. Kind of a "silly" question.

Even if true allowed this, no store would waste their time scanning you only for you to purchase it elsewhere

I personally wouldn't clamp anything other than the heel. even then, if you need to use a clamp, the skates are prob off by quite a bit in terms of fitment. You should use your hands to mold the boot around you foot. Then wrap it. The wrap serves to allow the boot to cool in the exact shape it's conformed to your foot without it naturally relaxing. As posted in other pages, this is how I wrap mine.

I've done a lot of research and my own experience with true to know what I know lol. I've researched just as much with Bauer and ccm but just haven't worn their skates for very long since they don't fit me that well at the retail level.

This. Svh is all made in Canada and built from bottom up using your foot scan and raw materials. Catalyst is assembled in Canada using shells that have already been made (overseas) and the fit is customized by way of foams and I'd assume "punching" certain areas out if needed. This is essentially how Bauer and ccm "customs" are made.

Which is why I got scanned for the cat pros 😬 If you don't like the yellow on the cat then you're gonna hate the orange on the hzrdus 🤮

The trend towards smaller toecaps is a good thing. I like them too. I was referring to the specific dimensions that you want out of a toecap along with not liking the option or power foot inserts. The tf retails will be replaced by the hzrdus skate which will also have the "carv" toecap the catalyst has. The hzdus looks hideous imo. True dropped the ball on the design especially after a big improvement on the catalyst in the looks department

Have you tried the catalyst and the new toecaps? From pictures and looking at the demo models they looks very similar in size to the tf line.

The toe box is better made larger than too small especially of you can decrease the volume quite easily sliding the tongue lower or with Powerfeet so it's not really an issue for most people. You seem very particular which isn't a bad thing, but it also doesn't mean true should redesign their skate because of the small percentage of people like yourself. True did redesign their toebox since the tf9 but I've yet to try the catalyst skates on to see how it compares to my tf pro customs. To be their big toebox was more of a negative for esthetics than performance. I lowered the tongue slightly into the toebox and added some diy power foot with a couple mms of Eva foam and I have literally only 2mm above my toes of wiggle room.

Never used the as3 pro. Tbh I generally stay away form mid-high kick point sticks. I only wanted to try this out bc it was on clearance and read reviews that it was easy to load. I still couldn't get used to the lag during shots like you'd feel with mid to high kick points vs low kick. I expected this but the trade off of having a better slapper vs a low kick stick wasn't there for me either. I still have a better slapshot with my jetspeed and trigger. It could be because I got a 75 flex in the as4 pro and I shouldve upped it to 80 since it's a mid. So there wasn't even really a trade off for me so I ended up selling it. For me ultimately, the jetspeed is my preferred stick of the ccm family. Haven't used Bauer since the 2n pro and even though everyone loved that stick, I felt it didn't have enough pop for me even though the puck feel on it was the best ever.

Powerfeet is foam so you should be able to move your toes as the foam gives. Sounds like you want a very specific toe box height. Your best bet is to make ur own power foot so you can adjust the thickness of foam to the mm. Use Eva foam sheets that come in 1mm, 2mm etc thicknesses where u can pretty much customize it exactly. If the machs fit u perfect aside from a toebox that is a bit too tall, then I would just use ur machs and do the custom power foot diy. From what you're saying about toeboxes, you won't be happy at all with the trues.

Maybe Some pics of the ft4 pro were using pics from the intermediate line? Sr is all brass. Not sure if intermediate is all brass though. If they are then they probably just used a pic of one without all brass and it got distributed. But to answer ur question they are all brass for seniors. Can't say for certain about interm

Probably best to stay away from it and go jetspeed if you're worried about the kick point being too high. To me the as4 pro shot similar to the 2n pro but maybe a bit more lag like the supreme 1s which is the last supreme I've used. Can't say about 2s or ultrasonic

More than you think do. And there are also players that wrap the laces around their ankles.

Hopefully bladetech starts making them for the shift max. Right now I only see them for the reg shift holder. I know old shift steel will fit in the shift max but I want the extra spike on the steel for security

The current machs toebox it too tall? It's shorter than all the other toeboxes Bauer has ever made. Hyperlites I think are shorter but everything pre hyperlite and ultrasonics, the Bauer toeboxes were big. True does not make a custom toe box for custom skates. However the new catalyst and svh customs have a lower profile toebox but look bigger than Bauer's asymmetrical toecap. Are you against using something like powefoot? It's a simple fix. I make my own form dollar store materials.