Sniper9

I've always gone with the felt tongue with trues. I'm not a fan of any tongue with plastic inserts. Just an fyi the true felt is very thick and plush. But it will break in pretty well. Id throw them in the oven for a few mins to soften them up at the baking temperature of the skates and put them in before you try them on. Otherwise they are very thick and take a few skates to conform. I was the same as you. Got them out of curiosity. If you still have your ft2s lying around you should put them on after about 5 skates with the trues. You'll be amazed at how the ft2s ever felt "comfortable" to you.

Good review. I was actually looking into these as I have the tf customs which I do like but was intrigued at the more flexible cat line. But I don't like how they aren't completely custom like the tf. I'm assuming the cat pro doesn't have a custom arch shape on the bottom of the skate like the tfs do? Only the outside of the shell is formed to your foot scan? Aside from that, what's custom about it? Tongue and being able to have different sizes for each skate? I know what you mean about the larger toe box and feeling a bit clumsy. Although I don't and didn't feel clumsy when I first got my tf customs I did notice some added bulk and didn't feel as quick on my feet. The comfort is second to none. And the wider toe box is part of it. All retail skates I get rubbing on my forefoot and pinky toe and this doesn't happen with trues. It's basically a compromise of comfort vs quick feet to a certain degree. Some may argue if you're always in pain and in skates you aren't comfortable in, your performance will be hindered. What skates did you have before? What issues did you have with those? My advice for people is that if you don't actually need true skates and have no issues with retails stick with retail. I have noticed that once using trues I can't go back to retail bc nothing will feel remotely as comfortable I had Bauer's before my true skates and didn't have pain issues, but once I started using trues it's like my feet became sensitized to fit issues and now I notice every little rub or discomfort and it's hard for me to accept skates feeling this way especially if you're spending 700+ on retail skates. A part of me wish I never tried trues so I have more of a selection to try from at the retail level. But another part of me also realizes how retail skates don't really fit most people properly and people just get used to the pain and adapt/form callouses etc.

The machs are definitely wider in the forefoot and toe cap than then ultrasonics. The forefoot and toe cap area was pretty tight on a fit 2 3s pro but the fit 1 mach wasn't and fit good. I ended up returning the mach bc it still have me some pinky pinching when skating. It actually felt completely fine out of box and baking and walking around. Even skating and striding it felt fine but once I started turning and crossing over, my left pinky was getting pinched. Not sure if it would've eventually subsided but I didn't want to modify or even have to deal with the pain for $1100 skates. So back in trues... Too bad Bauer doesn't offer a satisfaction guarantee or I would've stuck it out longer to see.

Where on the toecap is it hitting. The sides or the end. With trues the carbon wraps around the entire boot including the toes and are moldable/modifiable. Worst case u can punch that area slightly and it will be fine vs Bauer or ccm. The toecap material is a softer plastic like ccms toe cap where it will respond to heat. Whereas Bauer's toe caps are thick and very hard.

Not reading that entire post but from what I read. - yes skates need to be tied up for proper heel lock and even proper fit. - see if there's foam added to the end of the toecaps (almost certain there is). If so remove it and that will provide you with the added length you want. - after the skates break in a bit and the foams compress slightly it may be enough to create the added length you want.

If it's just causing rubbing and blister it'll just callous over once it's healed. I used to go through this all the time as a kid with Rollerblades lol. Let it heal then try skating again and see how it is. If it's pressing and not chaffing then that's another issue and u can get that area slightly punched out

I actually just added a piece above the old Velcro bc I push my tongue pretty far down and there's excess tab that isn't sticking to anything so that worked for me. But you can do either. I would just remove the old though so there isn't added bulk to the tongue. I used a normal needle but it was annoying bc I used adhesive Velcro and the needle got gummed up often. I don't know why they still use the shitty loop Velcro that gets frayed so fast.

All I know is that ccm and Bauer retail skates rub the outside of either my big tow or pinky where the toe cap meets the boot. It sucks bc I want to try their retails now. Been in trues for 5 years. Had Bauer before without issues. Not sure if having trues made my feet more sensitive to fit issues and lost all my callouses lol. Or the fact that the boot shapes are much diff and for something that fits my heel the forefoot is now too narrow.... I've always wore 7D in the past. And the dit 2 for the supreme 3s pro fit great except the areas I mentioned above.

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Late to post but I have the retail ccm ft390 glove and a pro stock jetspeed. The fingers are essentially the same length however the internal padding seems more snug on the retail vs pro stock. Not sure why. I've tried diff models of ccm pro stock and 13s have been either way too small (short) or just right/on the verge of too short. 14s have been either perfect in length but a touch too much volume. Kinda frustrating. I guess palm material and padding material also makes a diff depending on what is used. It's also frustrating that gloves in general even at the retail level are sized diff than they used too. Seems like Bauer I have to wear 13 now whereas before I was 14. Same with warrior. Ccm is the only one where it's still somewhat consistent to years prior but they do feel 1/4" to even 1/2" larger for some models.

U went back to the SB holders? Or were the middle pair's holders replaced most recent

I just deal them and let the tongues naturally form to my foot. Tiff can also just bake the tongued itself and such them back on and lace them up for a few minutes

Move the tongue lower so it reduces toe box volume and will keep your toes flat while in the boot. This also prevents toes from lifting and curling /pulling away from the end of the toebox. When I moved my tongue down a bit it changed the fit from my toes feathering against the toebox to being pressed up right against it so I had to remove the foam liner in the toe box to create more room since I like my tongue lower.

Honestly if you've done the saran wrap technique like this, and it still feels like too much volume, you need a. Remake

Lower the tongue it'll keep your toes down and closer to the end of the toe cap. When they were baked/rebaked did they do the saran wrap technique? If not, that's what you need to do.

What's the m03? Or is that just the max height w03

Standard is 60 or at least used to be. But honestly all companies are different now, ccm is much longer than Bauer. And yes they are also measured differently.

I've used both the SP 1.0 and 2.0 but only on my custom trues and just got the same size as I would wear on a retail Bauer, so 7, for me

It's esthetics only. The top edge of the boot is still soft. Can we get over this now.

If u want them to fit like Bauer ccm. Why not get Bauer or ccm.

I think the opposite. Ccms she'll is very thin. They've increased padding over the years but their she'll is very thin. Bauer's curv seems much more structurally durable. I've seen a lot of Bauer skates that have taken a beating esthetically but not structurally

I wouldn't expect any skate to last more than a year/season if I was on the ice 3+ days a week. If they do great. But the reality is at that level, it's not reasonable.

I know you were a fan of speed plates like I am. How do these compare. I hated the stock true insoles of the last. Too squishy for me. But these look interesting

The pics I see for the cat pro doesn't look like anything special or different in terms of the cuff area

True never had the comfort edge for their full customs. And you don't need it. The top edge of their customs are soft and have no hard plastic in them so they are essentially comfort edges without the stupid print of comfort edge on them. Up until the most recent skate releases from ccm and Bauer, the comfort edge did very little anyways. Look at the vapor and as1s comfort edge. They were pathetic.