Bauer 3D Skate Lab

[Jason 65]

 

[Jason 65]

No it didn't. I don't usually embed things in my posts. I fixed it now. Looks interesting though...

[215BroadStBullies610 435]

31 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

VH footwear competition?

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

No it didn't. I don't usually embed things in my posts. I fixed it now. Looks interesting though...

It is. Went to Montreal a couple of weeks ago to train on it. 

[g3k 29]

58 minutes ago, JR Boucicaut said:

It is. Went to Montreal a couple of weeks ago to train on it. 

If you can say, is it a custom skate within the 3 existing lines? Or a new one.

[shooter27 116]

Or is it used to fit someone into the best off the shelf skate for them?

[stick9 891]

Genuinely surprised it took this long. The tech has been there for years. 

Fantastic way to fit socks. 😜

[Kgbeast 195]

12 hours ago, 215BroadStBullies610 said:

VH footwear competition?

It does not look that way yet. I think for now, this is just to fit of-the-shelf skates which are still Vapor, Supreme, Nexus. Perhaps this also can be used while ordering customs.

[Hills 712]

14 hours ago, Jason said:

 

I wish I fit into a pair of Bauer goalie skates... I wonder if there will actually say "sorry, buy something else"

[215BroadStBullies610 435]

1 hour ago, Kgbeast said:

It does not look that way yet. I think for now, this is just to fit of-the-shelf skates which are still Vapor, Supreme, Nexus. Perhaps this also can be used while ordering customs.

Interesting. Would be cool to try out the process.

[GoalForFun 176]

8 hours ago, Kgbeast said:

It does not look that way yet. I think for now, this is just to fit of-the-shelf skates which are still Vapor, Supreme, Nexus. Perhaps this also can be used while ordering customs.

If it's just to fit you into one of the 3 lines it seems like a waste of R&D and materials money.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

11 hours ago, Kgbeast said:

It does not look that way yet. I think for now, this is just to fit of-the-shelf skates which are still Vapor, Supreme, Nexus. Perhaps this also can be used while ordering customs.

All of the above.

We’ll have more detail posted when it’s closer to launch. 

[EBondo 233]

23 hours ago, JR Boucicaut said:

It is. Went to Montreal a couple of weeks ago to train on it. 

Was there on the same trip, extremely cool to see it live. Can't wait to get it in my store.

[Kgbeast 195]

4 hours ago, GoalForFun said:

If it's just to fit you into one of the 3 lines it seems like a waste of R&D and materials money.

Who knows. Perhaps they have plans to do VH thing, but more likely, it is just to push their product. People who go shopping for skates, will more likely buy into the gimmickry of the device and end up getting the Bauer skates. People like shiny things. Plus you can go in the lhs, stand on the thing, then go to online store and order what "Dr. Scholl's" prescribed without feeling bad for the store associate to go back and forth to storage to fetch you multiple pairs of skates. We'll see where this goes. Even if people abuse it as in above example, Bauer still wins, so any investment in to this thing will pay off.

[Jason 65]

I think Bauer need to work on a more revolutionary design in stead. Something one-piece or fewer parts. I really like where CCM went and I think they have moved ahead of Bauer tech-wise. True/VH will still have a better fit I'm sure. I already have Bauer customs that fit very well, so I doubt I will stand to gain anything from this new offering.

[flip12 715]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

I think Bauer need to work on a more revolutionary design in stead. Something one-piece or fewer parts. I really like where CCM went and I think they have moved ahead of Bauer tech-wise. True/VH will still have a better fit I'm sure. I already have Bauer customs that fit very well, so I doubt I will stand to gain anything from this new offering.

Not everyone agrees. I had a lengthy discussion with the guys at General Sports in Edina about this last fall and they were all pretty skeptical of VH because its overly restrictive on range-of-motion in the ankle. They were supremely impressed by CCM's JetSpeeds and especially SuperTacks. I haven't worn those, but from what I got out of their reviews of them, they were more in line with the feeling of a traditional hockey skate, but with a significant dose of the fit and performance benefits of VH. I agree with them that the problem with VH right now is it's still too much of a speed skate trying to fit in as a hockey skate. They don't have far to go to fix that, but until they do, I think there'll be plenty of people who prefer the fit of CCM's latest skates to VH. Sure the boot bakes better to the foot, but if it bakes too well and gets too high or too close to where your leg and foot need to go in separate directions, that's a major demerit in the fit category.

[Monty22 833]

VH was the first skate with "modern" materials (non-leather boot) that I've been able to lace all the way up and still have forward flex and movement.  I'd be curious to know if any of the "General Sports guys"  have used the skates , or were just speculating. It wouldn't be the first time a shop talked up a product they stocked over one they didn't.  

[IPv6Freely 2093]

Yea their skepticism sounds like a lot of nonsense.

[DarkStar50 679]

Could we set up a separate thread for the Bauer 3-D Fit ? I know it's new gear but a stand alone thread might be easier to follow.

[flip12 715]

4 hours ago, Monty22 said:

VH was the first skate with "modern" materials (non-leather boot) that I've been able to lace all the way up and still have forward flex and movement.  I'd be curious to know if any of the "General Sports guys"  have used the skates , or were just speculating. It wouldn't be the first time a shop talked up a product they stocked over one they didn't.  

I can't remember if it was from word of mouth or if they had tried them, but it was definitely a critique on analyzing how they fit. The most vocal of the "'guys'" said they were cut too high. I disagreed saying they were actually on par with Graf's lower cut boots. Compared to Grafs though, they fit really close to ankle, which is where I think the limited range of motion comes from. My experience is only with MLX, though, not proper VH, so I'm going off of the cut of the boot being pretty much the same. In my experience I did encounter the limited range of motion problem, especially when what I needed was full ankle aversion (see Schwartz's left foot-to-leg angle below). This is a conversation that happened 7/8-months ago so I can't remember specifics.

[flip12 715]

1 hour ago, IPv6Freely said:

Yea their skepticism sounds like a lot of nonsense.

How so?

[malcb33 97]

Sounds to me like their point of view is coming either someone who used a softer traditional skate and made the switch to VHs or a whole lot of speculation. I get more range of motion in VH than the other high end Bauers I've had. Also lace tension plays a small part in this discussion as well. 

Just out of curiosity- Is Schwartz even wearing VHs in that pic @flip12? I know he wears VH now, but that pic is old and the shape of the boot looks more like his old Reeboks.

[matix218 11]

5 hours ago, Monty22 said:

VH was the first skate with "modern" materials (non-leather boot) that I've been able to lace all the way up and still have forward flex and movement.  I'd be curious to know if any of the "General Sports guys"  have used the skates , or were just speculating. It wouldn't be the first time a shop talked up a product they stocked over one they didn't.  

I have not ever had a modern material skate that I have been able to lace all the way up and still have adaquite forward flex/movement...  I have been forced into either dropping an eyelet or skipping 2nd eyelet on every modern material boot I have tried, which are quite a few.

 

If I had the money right now (which I dont...) your comment alone is enough to make me want to try VH

[Vet88 674]

I think it's the first necessary step to where custom skate production will move to. Scan the foot then build the boot in a 3D printer from the scan. Mass custom production done easily and from anywhere in the world (once the scan stations are rolled out). If this was the case, would you honestly buy anything else except....

It's off topic but I'm really interested in seeing how well the 70k works. I like the idea of a boot that will flex through the mid section so it follows the shape of your foot as it bends, more like how a shoe flexes instead of a rigid boot. I hope Bauer does some work on this. 

[DarkStar50 679]

Thank you for this.