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I see how that was confusing. I meant how protective the outer would be of the internal mechanism, in the sense that the other might crack really easily and expose the insides. I had already watched the video about the gyro. Thanks Re the verbero pucks, I have never broken one and used them for indoor pickup games that we used to organize.

Where in LA? My sister lives there and they are in Brentwood now. Hey husband plays at Mar Vista, not sure if it's just pickup or if they have an adult league, but there is definitely pickup there during the week and on weekends. When they lovyed further east he played at the famous West Covina rink. There's plenty of roller in the area though. Look up rinks on the rink source map

900 dollars is incredible? If you bought the boots with promo and sold the holders and steel you could have paid 350 for the boots and mounted R1s for another 140+ mounting, so 550 mounted. Wheels and bearings at 200 total would put you at 750 US for a much better setup than the stock chassis and wheels. Anyway, I had a chance to try these on recently and I'm not going to keep them. Fit was fine, baked nicely and they're really comfortable. I was not a fan of the lower cut boot having injured my ankle in the past, but otherwise the skate is sick. Holders feel really nice and the comfort of the boot is unreal and the heel lock that I got was crazy. I want a huge fan of the thin TF9 tongue, but it could be swapped. The finish is amazing. For sizing, my right foot is a 9.5 and my left is a 9. Sometimes I can get a 9 to fit my right foot and other times not. I have had 9.25 pro stock returns which are ideal for me (not interested in custom ordering skates). I was not able to get the 9 to fit comfortably in this case, so I went with the 9.5r. I know lots of people like the low cut and I have tried on makos. I found these to be a bit more volume and a bit more room above the toes than mako 2.

Definitely a valid point. Ice time is retarded and we used to play at 11-12 and then wash up and drive 40 minutes home. If you're looking to start a inline rink and run house leagues you've got your work cut out for you, but you can definitely succeed. One thing is to make good leagues. Another thing that I've found to be good is to market it as a different sport altogether. It really is strategically very different, even though the end goal of both ice and roller (and basketball, football, soccer and lacrosse) is to put the puck in the net and stop it from going in yours, but the way that it accomplished is totally different. As mentioned, high level roller hockey is a game of possession and control. It requires a ton of patience and discipline. Not that ice doesn't, but there are many differences. Developing court vision is also very different in roller, as is playing both sides of the puck. Many more

Not sure why that came across salty, I was just trying to explain my original point that if you got 15 years out of a set of bearings you most likely didn't use them outside.

I know you can, my point was just that indoors is much less wear and tear on bearings

Indoor use only?

I play roller. I grew up on long island where roller has been very popular, especially in the 90s/2000s. I played some ice but it was very expensive and I think when I was a kid the nights of ice hockey in long beach conflicted with something else I had going on so I played roller and stuck with it. We had a nice big outdoor rink a few minutes away and there were pickup games there literally every day from when I was like 12 until after I finished high school. The only expense was gear basically, and it was a lot more fun. Great crew of guys and eventually we played together ecrha and competitive men's leagues. A bunch of the guys also got into ice in college, I had other extracurricular activities and roller was enough for me. They still try to get me to come and there was a period where I played drop in ice weekly, but I just like roller more. I like the speed of the game, it is more easy going and fun, just a different style of game. I also like the finesse of it, the style of the game that my team plays. I recently moved from NY to Phoenix az and am really just praying to find a good team with guys who like to play hard and don't take themselves to seriously. From Phoenix AZ (formerly NY)

Doesn't matter too much ime, but whippier and lower kick is preferable if anything will make a bit of a difference. Most important is blade. I prefer a closed face in general, but with a ball it's a must imo

What size are those red stars?😉 I just recently made the switch from red stars on ribcores to Sprungs on supreme, but I couldn't resist the pre order of R1s. I've held off on mounting them since I've recently had some issues with an ankle injury, and I'm trying to see how it plays out before choosing boots to mount them on, but reading these reviews is making it hard to hold off lol

Agree. If there is any preceived difference in weight these days, it probably has more to do with design, fit, balance etc than with actual overall weight

It might last, but we'll see. I agree with the sentiments though, that was what drew me to roller as well. Even in it's most competitive form it's still much more fun and laid back. I never played much ice hockey in large part because it was so competitive and expensive, and my dad had us in so much other competitive stuff that it was nice to just lace up and play on the dead ends

That's true. +1 for being pedantic

Is it us that cares? I would have thought the opposite, that most kids care who wears what and most of us wear what fits us best. I also don't remember branding on the show being anything like it is today. It seems like brands are plastered everywhere now. Maybe it's just cuz TV screens are bigger now

Agree, I hate the all 80s, but the sensor was definitely the best one. The thing about Mission is that you're never gonna see them do anything that doesn't already exist in Bauer ice skates, so they're basically just riding out the popularity of the brand name without actually innovating anything different from Bauer ice or roller. I think it's dumb, because they could really just use Mission for any weird innovation they want to try, and then keep Bauer roller traditional, but instead it's just two brand putting out basically the same skates. Yeah, that make sense. The patent expired and now they can see how they do. I think they might keep two lines if the sales can support it, as there are definitely players who prefer the all 80mm. I just wish tour would put a bit more into their boots. I love the fit and the comfort, but I'm not trying to go through a pair of skates every 2-3 seasons of 2x/week house league and maybe 1x/week pickup. I would love if they put out a top of the line + option, even if they raise the price point. I grew up on long island and know a bunch of the older tour players and I don't think anyone has been stoked on their skates in a long time. Everyone tells me they're fine but if they weren't free they would not be wearing them. The last tours I had were code tabus maybe 10 years ago, and I think every top end skate they've done since then had been pretty much the same skate with different graphics until this code 1.one

That's pretty funny. Just this week I was saying that I bet they're gonna do that with the design. Ha. I'm looking forward to seeing the new Tour lineup, but I have no idea when it will be since they just released the volt line. Wonder if they will put out a top model volt skate (kv1). The kv is the best looking boot they're probably ever made honestly

Not sure your size but they're were a bunch on PSH and SLS last I looked

Honestly, I thought that comment about weight was a poke at the bean counters

Interesting. I came from 72/80 Hi-Lo setup which I retained for a long time since the change to 76/80, and I found the sprungs much more maneuverable with 80s. I'm excited to hear this as I still haven't gotten time to choose boots to mount them on, but I'm glad to hear the performance is there.

Interesting. I find the 80s sprungs to be fine in height. Pleasantly surprised to hear that the grip is on par, I was expecting it to be less. Turning, cutting, transitions stopping, how are they with those? How's the adjustment period? I had no adjustment at all to the sprungs, but these seem like there might be a change. Looking forward to mounting mine asap

How do the R1 compare to Sprungs?

Winnwell is definitely a legitimate brand. The issue is that you probably won't find much about the fit online, whereas CCM, even if you buy online you can get a decent idea of the fit and quality. My biggest concern with gloves is always if the breaks will line up correctly for my hand.

Scans are also time consuming... They are not custom skates, so they will not fit everyone, but they are built on a stock last and will mold to fit a wider range of feet than most other skates. They have wide toe boxes and narrower heels and the heels and ankle can open up significantly, as well as offering wide sizes. For anyone who fits a normal retail skate, they should be able to find one of these that fits them. Obviously there will be exceptions, and they are not custom skates

Agreed. I thought it was a given, but yeah, True needs to be educating shops on the fit of this skate. I'd assume it's like all things in that is somewhat predictable and once you figure out how to fit them you can pretty much nail down the right skate for someone and then bake it to make sure. A shop can probably avoid baking more than one pair of skates the majority of the time once they figure it out. Obviously there will be exceptions, but I don't see why anyone would need to bake 5 different sizes of skates... I think the root of this discussion, though it probably has devolved too much into industry talk, is that the skates must be baked beforehand. This is important for anyone interested in the skates to make sure that they find a shop that will fit them properly.

Eh, I'm always weary of this stuff without trying on. If you're not desperate for new gloves I think it's better to try something on.