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  2. iceman8310
    The Mach and the 3s pro are two different fitting pants
  3. Last week
  4. Sniper9 started following Pants: Bauer Mach vs 3S Pro
  5. Sniper9
    If you're gonna be spending money on machs or any top end retail pants for that matter and are looking for good protection, you should strongly consider getting pro stock pants like the bauer nexus or ccm hp45. They will be generally cheaper than retail and way better quality and protection. If you have to get retail, I would steer away form Bauer. Their retail protective is really lacking, even their top end models.
  6. flip12
    The ribs are APX/X7.0 style (X90 continued that configuration); X:60's ribs were more Porsche 911 compared to the X7.0 Lamborghini slashes. As for fit, I wonder if you could order them in Fits 1-3 or if it's all via the Length Forefoot/Heel paradigm. I've seen plenty of pro customs with the L F/H markings and none with F1-3. That doesn't mean they don't exist though. Depending on what did or didn't work for your fit in specific generations of Vapors I'd think a proper custom order would take care of it, if Mosocas are still offered. Vapor up until recently was always low volume, but the little changes to forefoot sidewall shape, toe cap version, or tongue thickness could nudge a player one way or the other. Mosocas weren't subject to this though, since they were never retail. There was possibly a more standard package offered to teams at lower purchasing levels, but specs could be made to tune the fit. Prostockhockey had a ton of Duncan Keith Mosocas in at one point a few years ago. The big difference that stood out between pairs was the toe caps. All of them were represented: the original shaggy Vapor toe caps from 8 - XXX, the naked toe caps from XXXX - 1X (both of them), and the Twiggy toe caps from the 2X Pro. Tongues and liners could be further specified if desired, and I think maybe even internal padding types and thicknesses could as well if I'm not mistaken. Naturally, with so many variables, it's a complicated spec space to navigate.
  7. Larry54
    To add to what Davideo posted above, I think the two areas you should be comparing are what I circled in yellow on the modified picture below.
  8. shoeshine boy
    the original person who was using them IS a goalie and we were looking the other way. it didn't become an issue until a position player said, "but what about MMMEEEEE?????" and we consider that a safety issue. the goalie got a little pissy about it until he figured out that he just needed to talk to us about it. I figure sooner or later, a position player will try the same thing for real and we'll deal with it then.
  9. Davideo
    Based on the pictures you show, it also seem to be comparing different areas. Both have similar sized, small foam flaps above the belt. I think it's mostly just the cut of the padding above the waist that makes it appear different.
  10. A2rhino
    Here is a photo of what I had added. You can fold it down and it will protect the lower area as you were wanting of fold it up to protect that area between your shoulder pads and pants.
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  12. swede
    It’s mostly just there for some cushion behind the belt buckle, so you’ll be fine. David Tomášek of the Edmonton oilers uses the Tackla Breezer 3D prozone girdle. https://tackla.eu/tuote/tackla-breezer-3d-prozone-icehockey-girdle-sr/ it has crazy amounts of padding everywhere except for the lower abdomen which is not padded at all.
  13. xstartxtodayx started following Pants: Bauer Mach vs 3S Pro
  14. xstartxtodayx
    I just tried an ACP Pro girdle last night and noticed it didn't have any padding there either, my Super Tacks one has a little something, but like swede said, I don't think that little padding there is doing much anyways. I didn't notice it missing while playing last night.
  15. Radien55
    I have almost the same pants, Supreme 3S and the flap isn't very thick, but there is at least something there, even if it is a placebo effect. I never noticed it get in the way though. Thanks for the explanation! I figured it had to be something like that, because they would not remove it, if it was important. The pants have tons of protection every else, way beyond what the 3S offers. So it wouldn't make sense to skimp there. I will get a pair and see how it goes.
  16. 218hockey
    Where in USA is Skatescribe now?
  17. 218hockey
    X900 pants were great.
  18. swede
    It’s totally uneccesary.. it’s just a piece of foam that actually don’t offer much protection anyway. I have the Supreme 2s pants which have a big belly flap, but i find it mostly in the way, and kinda restrict me in my skating, so i push it as far down as i can. My 12 year old son went from Vapor x900 lite pants which also have a big flap to Tackla Expp55 pants which don’t have any flap at all and also have a much lower cut front than other pants on the market. He is much more mobile in the lower cut tackla pants. And he plays D with most blocked shots on the team. He says, there is tension in the abs when skating, so the padding for the lower abdomen is uneccesary
  19. A2rhino
    Truth be told, I don't know of any belly flap that has truly been worth a damn other than back when Warrior added the extra (sixpack) protection in it a few years back. I personally had my pants modified with the Small Nash pad and its been great.
  20. Buzz_LightBeer
    If the place you shop has the big pro sharp cabinet setup, they may also have demo steel to try. Just ask.
  21. Radien55
    I am thinking about getting new pants and I like the Machs, but I noticed they don't have the belly flap protection and thought that was kind of strange, as most pants have it. I looked at them in the store today and there is nothing behind the closure system, which is very thin itself, so the only protection in this region is the jock and there would perhaps be a gap between it and the shoulder pads. Does anyone have experience with this, is this an issue?
  22. iceman8310
    Are the Bauer V Cut Tech mesh skates based on the X:60 or X90 or just a tech mesh skate on the current last? Some vapors fit and some did not.
  23. xstartxtodayx
    I bit the bullet and ordered the tapered ones in my size (the 35% off clearance price deal was too good to pass up, basically paid half price for them). They fit just like the OG Jetspeeds before CCM offered the "Tapered/Regular" options, which is perfect for my foot. Went in and had them baked today by Dave aka beerleaguecaptain and I'll give them a shot on the ice tomorrow night, so far they feel awesome.
  24. stick9
    @xstartxtodayx A tapered CCM sits somewhere between a Vapor and Supreme from the pre fit system era. Vapors were a little snug while Supremes a little roomy, either would work. My tapred CCM's are just right.
  25. BenBreeg
    There is some research but not much. Years back someone here linked to some and at that time 9/10 showed the best performance. input him on 9/10 based on that as well as, regardless of the profile, he will have consistency. Just thinking it might be worth playing around with a second set. BTW, the scanner just spits out a category. It just said Quad so I assume that IT implies you should match to the skate size. Not that helpful, that would have been our first experiment anyway. And it would seem ProSharp has data they used to make recommendations to pros but still seems like some experimentation and collaboration at the end of the day.
  26. Larry54
    Is there any scientific research or data on profiles or does it just depend on how a player feels on different profiles? Maybe a player can feel better on one profile but end up performing better by getting used to another. How can a player's performance be measured on specific profiles? Without real objective data, I'm really hesitant to go down the profile rabbit hole. But I'd be really interested in any scientific evidence/data/ research on this topic.
  27. flip12
    It's very much in the spirit of MSH's DBs. The closest thing I've seen is Icehockey360.ru's measurements comparing boot and holder dimensions for the sizes he was trying: https://icehockey360.ru/baza-znanij/geometricheskie-parametry-stakanov/ It's on the older side now, and there were some surprises in there which makes me wonder about his methods. The general trend that emerges already in his measurements is that the industry was trending toward standardization. I think that process is now complete. True's new holder is supposed to be more in line with Bauer and CCM and I vaguely recall Warrior's skate representative saying on HockeyTutorial that their holder has the same pitch as the others. If those observations aren't mistaken, most of the value in the holder db would be to archive historical idiosyncrasies which have gone the way of the cookie cutter in recent years.
  28. flip12
    Our local shop is just so so but they do have a try-3 profile option for those with Bauer or CCM holders. I did it and ended up with some very strong opinions about the different options. Something like that might be good, if it's available in your area. Overall, as usual, profile is 100% personal preference. While 9'/10' might be quite popular and effective for a lot of players, for me, I personally hated it. I felt twice as good on the same Catalyst 7s after switching their profile from the stock 9/10 to Ellipse II. I suspect an individual's profile search is akin to finding 3D local maxima. 9/10 might just be optimal for your son. But it might also be a completely different paradigm suits him better.
  29. A2rhino
    I can say with confidence that Superfeet are my go to insoles. I have always heat molded them in my skates and have at times skated hard for three hours with absolutely no pain in my feet.
  30. A2rhino
    That would be awesome. If for anything, just good to know.
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