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Agreed, this is going to be the best indicator for people to judge online. OP should be wary of people suggesting X sizes down from shoe size, as I believe many (if not most) people wear shoes that are technically too big for them, especially if they have wide feet. I can almost guarantee that anyone wearing a skate 3+ sizes smaller than their shoe size, has a lot of room between the tip of their toes and the end of their shoe.

Fair enough. I've never used one, but I do currently use a P90TM and find the toe hook mostly just gets in my way. I just found it interesting that so many defencemen are using the P28, while the P92 still seems to dominate among forwards.

Stopped in at several GTA Hockey Shops yesterday, most of which had a large selection of prostock sticks. I enjoy looking at the sticks to see what specs players are using (or have tried). I was very surprised to see that most of the sticks (>80%) from NHL D were a P28 or slight variation. On the other hand, most of the sticks from forwards were P92, (or a modified P92). Just something I found interesting, as P28 is thought of as more of a "Shooter's curve", with passing being mostly an afterthought.

If you like Sherwood, their PP92 is actually a lie 5. True also has a P92 lie 5 (TC2.5).

8R FT4 showed up today and unbaked the fit is pretty much perfect. If these don't change drastically after a bake, they'll be my glass slippers. Length and width are very close to the 7.5D 20K. FT4 has a bit more depth than the 20K, which is what I expected. I have a high instep, regular to slightly narrow heel, and a slightly wide forefoot. I did try the ASV and like you found that they fit longer and wider than the FT4.

Thanks for the info. I ordered a pair of 8R, so hopefully they fit. I have a pair of FT1 in 7.5D that were gifted to me, but they are a tad short and too narrow.

Ah, I see. So there wasn't really a correlation between the cost to acquire the sticks and the $125 selling price. Makes sense.

Doesn't this kind of lend credence to the argument that the top end sticks are way overpriced? Unless CCM is selling pro stock to the teams at a significant loss? Not trying to start a debate about pricing. If you don't want to pay the asking price, don't buy it. Just more curious about how things work between manufacturers and teams.

I have a pair of Reebok 20K size 7.5D, which fit well for length and forefoot width, but slightly loose in the heel without using the pump. The holder size is 271. The CCM skate selector tool used to recommend a half size up from Reebok, which in my case would be 8R (271 holder). Lately it has changed to recommending the same size as Reebok, which would be 7.5R (263 holder). When in doubt, the old school method was to trust the holder size, but I'm not sure that's applicable anymore. I'm also wondering about the forefoot width of the FT4 R vs. 20K D. I can't try them on because of low inventory levels. I have to order online from a city 5 hours away (Crazy in itself because I live in the world's largest hockey market). Looking for any insight or opinions.

I do think that True and CCM shells tend to rebound less than Bauer after heel clamping or sidewall punches, but it's not some earth shattering difference. I like all three skate brands and think they all have pros and cons. This forum can get a little tribal around the brands at times, but I genuinely believe the members have good intentions and are not just being fanboys/fangirls.

Link below is to a pdf from the manufacturer of Curv, detailing the temperatures required in the manufacturing process. After reading, I don't think a skate oven gets hot enough to truly deform the material. My unscientific opinion is that Bauer skate shells have limited thermoformability, and it's mostly the interior foams that are changed. Personal observation is that True and CCM shells are more pliable when they come out of a skate oven. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archive/15_Mfrs_Publications/Menlo_Scientific/CURV%20Thermo-forming.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi6wLK2mO38AhUKjIkEHflKCNkQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0-SXtpDz1v-kHDR7OVWwDM

As far as I know "HK" is actually Hybrid Kick, not High Kick. I have a retail Jetspeed FT3 Team stick marked "HK" and it most definitely is not a high kick. To me, It flexes the same as the retail FT3 that I tried out.

For the old relics like me, I'd say the best way to describe it is that the more dampened a blade is, those closer it feels to using a wooden blade. A pingier blade will transfer more vibrations up the shaft into your hands.

I'm going to return them. I got them direct from Bauer, since the local shops didn't have any stock in my size. I'll probably go back to my original plan, which was to look for a deal on a pair of 100K Pro or 90K. Thank god my wife tolerates my skate buying habit! lol

Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to return them because even if it won't cause an issue with my stride, knowing that difference is there will mess with my head. I'd say I'm ridiculously fussy about my gear, but then again, so is pretty much everyone else that frequents this site. 🤣

Ordered a pair of 3S Pro skates on Black Friday and when they showed up, I found that the left holder is mounted a couple mm more forward than the right holder. Pretty obvious when you look down from the top, as you see more of the left holder in front of the toe cap. This seems like a very minor difference, but I previously had a pair with the same difference in holders and I kept straining my groin. Problem went away as soon as I switched skates. Probably a coincidence, but it's in my head now. I'm also weird in that I'm bothered when pairs of things aren't symmetrical. Is this holder Mount difference common and does it bother anyone else?

Not a direct answer to your question, but I've been using the Jetspeed FT3 Team retail stick for a few months and it's been fantastic. Factor in that I paid $99 CAD on sale and it can't be beat.

I've been using the P90TM for the last few months. It is pretty much a P29 with a toe hook. Lie is very slightly different and a little less rocker.

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As far as I know, the X2.9 was the last tech mesh retail model. Doubt it's a custom option other than pro stock.

The new holders that will be on the next Vapor skates. Interesting that the trigger appears to be white. I'll be interested in seeing them in person, as the trigger seems more exposed to direct hits from pucks and sticks.

I don't think the issue is related to stiffness. The 88K is actually stiffer than 9060 Tacks. 88K has more padding, so perhaps it may be giving the illusion of being less stiff.

That's just greasy! Why do people have to abuse everything? I've used the 90 day twice. First time I wore them to one public skate and knew they wouldn't work. Second time I didn't even skate on them, but I had let the shop sharpen them, so I had to use the 90 day. Whenever I have to return something I feel so guilty that I'll always buy something else, whether small like tape or even larger like a stick.

Interesting. All the major retailers that I've checked in Canada are forcing you to buy new steel with the skate. You can't complete the checkout process without adding steel to your order. I assumed it was a CCM and Bauer policy, but it sounds like maybe it is the retailers after all? @PBHany inside info on this?