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5 minutes ago, oldtrainerguy28 said:

Yes. But the foam at the toe is the same. And measuring the boot the 7 is smaller than the 7.5. So they are definitely 2 different sizes. 

How the hell do they know at the assembly line what size is what then??? 

Are u able to confirm whether my theory of s08-7 means 7.5 and therefore the true size 7 would be s07-7 or similar.. or address the number codes identical

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4 minutes ago, Sniper9 said:

How the hell do they know at the assembly line what size is what then??? 

Are u able to confirm whether my theory of s08-7 means 7.5 and therefore the true size 7 would be s07-7 or similar.. or address the number codes identical

No I didnt bother looking any further

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4 hours ago, oldtrainerguy28 said:

Yes. But the foam at the toe is the same. And measuring the boot the 7 is smaller than the 7.5. So they are definitely 2 different sizes. 

Interesting! Thanks for checking on that. 

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11 hours ago, start_today said:

Does anyone else have the retail skates and can check on this? And/or does anyone work in a shop that sells Trues?

This explanation makes sense. Especially given that jrchecker said they called their distributor and other skates had similar sticker. 
 

If that is the case, is anyone else unsettled by this? Only selling full size skates and padding the length out with foam seems weird. Am I over thinking this and a few MMs don’t matter that much?

I would say you aren’t overthinking it.  They aren’t Trues but I went from a 9 to 9.5 Ribcore through the 90-day return policy.  Not only did it change the room in the toes but how my foot sat in the skate the whole way back, including eliminating some irritation in the ankle.

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I don't need new skates right now, but I was near a store that carried them and it was early in the morning when it was dead; so I asked to try on a couple sizes. I tried on the TF9 in 7.5W and 8W. 

I currently wear 8EE Mako II's with my toes feathering the cap and right to the end of the insoles. Well, @Hills, @SkateWorksPNW and everyone else who said they fit a half size larger than most brands are correct IMHO. In the 8W, I couldn't feel the end of the cap at all with my left foot and could barely touch with my big toe on my right foot if I really tried. When I stood on the 8W footbed, there was about 5mm of space after my toes. Despite them being a bit long they still locked my heel in well when walking around and felt pretty comfortable even unbaked, but I knew they were too long. With the 7.5W my toes brushed the cap on both feet and when I took out the footbeds and put my feet on them there was no space at the end of the footbed.

Overall, the 7.5W felt like it was a bit wider in the forefoot and toe box than my 8EE Mako II's even unbaked - not sloppy, but not as tight as the Mako II's and the toe box is also a bit taller than the Makos. My first impression was they're similar to Mako's, but I wish they used the Mako toe box and the 7.5W used a 272mm holder instead of 263mm. When it's time for my next roller conversion it's highly likely I'll get a 7.5W True retail if I can't find a new old stock or barely used Mako II, M8 or M7 in 8EE (which at this point is highly unlikely). Unbaked the True's felt better on my feet than any of the Bauer or CCM boots I have tried on. 

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20 minutes ago, althoma1 said:

I don't need new skates right now, but I was near a store that carried them and it was early in the morning when it was dead; so I asked to try on a couple sizes. I tried on the TF9 in 7.5W and 8W. 

I currently wear 8EE Mako II's with my toes feathering the cap and right to the end of the insoles. Well, @Hills, @SkateWorksPNW and everyone else who said they fit a half size larger than most brands are correct IMHO. In the 8W, I couldn't feel the end of the cap at all with my left foot and could barely touch with my big toe on my right foot if I really tried. When I stood on the 8W footbed, there was about 5mm of space after my toes. Despite them being a bit long they still locked my heel in well when walking around and felt pretty comfortable even unbaked, but I knew they were too long. With the 7.5W my toes brushed the cap on both feet and when I took out the footbeds and put my feet on them there was no space at the end of the footbed.

Overall, the 7.5W felt like it was a bit wider in the forefoot and toe box than my 8EE Mako II's even unbaked - not sloppy, but not as tight as the Mako II's and the toe box is also a bit taller than the Makos. My first impression was they're similar to Mako's, but I wish they used the Mako toe box and the 7.5W used a 272mm holder instead of 263mm. When it's time for my next roller conversion it's highly likely I'll get a 7.5W True retail if I can't find a new old stock or barely used Mako II, M8 or M7 in 8EE (which at this point is highly unlikely). Unbaked the True's felt better on my feet than any of the Bauer or CCM boots I have tried on. 

Isn't the makos .5 smaller than ccm and true. For example isn't it recommended to get an 8 mako when you're a 7.5 Bauer or ccm. So if that's true, then wouldn't it mean the trues are the same as ccm and Bauer. 

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14 minutes ago, Sniper9 said:

Isn't the makos .5 smaller than ccm and true. For example isn't it recommended to get an 8 mako when you're a 7.5 Bauer or ccm. So if that's true, then wouldn't it mean the trues are the same as ccm and Bauer. 

If you go through the Mako thread, the majority of people went with the same size Makos as Bauer's. Some people went up a half size and some down a half size and then there were outliers with more variation than that.

I haven't owned a Bauer or CCM skate in over a decade. I know I had some 8D Flexlite's coverted for roller that maybe had a hair more length than ideal and I know that when I demoed Supreme's at a Modsquad event (I think it was the TotalOne), 7.5EE seemed to be the right length, but was tight in the toe box and I had a bit of heel lift. So if the Bauer sizing is the same as back then, perhaps I would be the same size Bauer's as True's. All I can confirm for sure is that True retail skates fit a half size larger than Mako's for my feet. 

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Unless I'm mistaken, it seems to me that everyone that has said the Trues fit a half size smaller are wearing EE/W skates.  I'm a D width and did not have to go down a half size, so I'm wondering if the W sizes have a much wider heel that is letting their foot sit further back?

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Bsuer sizing is not the same as it was when the makos came out. Half size longer. Compared with Bauer's today I would say makos are the same size. I wear 9.5 supreme and could not comfortably fit in a 9 mako. I felt the same way with TF9s and TF7s, but I only tried on the R width. I did feel like I might be ok in a 9W with the wrap baking method.

Regarding the heel, i agree it felt tight but it definitely feels like it can open up a lot

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11 hours ago, boo10 said:

Unless I'm mistaken, it seems to me that everyone that has said the Trues fit a half size smaller are wearing EE/W skates.  I'm a D width and did not have to go down a half size, so I'm wondering if the W sizes have a much wider heel that is letting their foot sit further back?

Could be- I tried on the regular width 9.5 and 10, with 10 being my normal size. Toes were crammed in 9.5, 10 fit fine. 

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I just tried on some TF7s. My MLX are a size 10 and my right foot, which is slightly longer than my left, touches the toe box with slightly more than feathering pressure. I tried the TF7s in 10.0R and was swimming and felt like my arch didn’t line up with that of the boots; 9.5W felt like I could sharpen them and go without any baking, though the heel felt a bit relaxed; 9.5R felt on the money: snug, with even pressure everywhere except across the forefoot—there it was a touch too tight, but I’m confident a bake would fix that—toes were feathering the toe cap more ideally than they do in my 10 MLX. Now I wish I had tried 9.0W + R, but that’ll have to be for another day.

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1 hour ago, flip12 said:

I just tried on some TF7s. My MLX are a size 10 and my right foot, which is slightly longer than my left, touches the toe box with slightly more than feathering pressure. I tried the TF7s in 10.0R and was swimming and felt like my arch didn’t line up with that of the boots; 9.5W felt like I could sharpen them and go without any baking, though the heel felt a bit relaxed; 9.5R felt on the money: snug, with even pressure everywhere except across the forefoot—there it was a touch too tight, but I’m confident a bake would fix that—toes were feathering the toe cap more ideally than they do in my 10 MLX. Now I wish I had tried 9.0W + R, but that’ll have to be for another day.

This! my right is a little longer than my left also and that was the skate that felt a little too tight. I re-baked them and also did the shrink wrap and they still seemed a little tight but not as bad as before. I skated yesterday with them and they felt much better than the original skate but a little tight on the right foot. Doing the wrap helped bring the foot back a little bit and also tying the skate as tight as possible helped (my ccm's i would tie tight at the toe, leave a little loose in the mid foot area and tight up top). I am going to skate with them one more time and see how it goes.

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TF7 update: got the spot causing discomfort taken care of so I used them for the first time yesterday. Went to a public skate before my game last night just to get a feel for them and gotta say that they're the most comfortable skates I've worn. The game went well, but towards the halfway point of the third I noticed my right heel felt like it was slipping out of the heel lock. Anyone else experience this or have an idea what may be causing it? It didn't feel like that during the first 2 periods or during public skate. I have some gel inserts I could throw in there if need be.

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I got a chance to wear my TF9s for the first time yesterday... so I am going to add a few details to this thread.

I tried on the 8.5W and 8W skates again. Putting my foot unbaked in the 8.5W skate had me questioning my statement of (half a size smaller than normal). So I baked them and my toes weren't close to the end like they are in any other brand in 8.5. Once they were tied up (even without the shrink wrapping to really pull the heel back) I could only make my middle toe touch when I stretched and basically jammed my foot forward. Everyone I talked to in the store had to go down half a size to be close to their normal skate fit. Both W and R widths alike. One person went from a 7D to a 6R as they felt they were swimming all over.

If I put Superfeet in my 8.0W my toes would never touch the ends of the skate, where as Superfeet in my 8.5EE CCM/Bauer they still touch slightly when standing.


The W felt REALLY wide throughout the skate, like Fit3 or Nexus wide. I baked them with thicker socks as I always have forefoot issues in retail EE skates but my entire foot felt like it wasn't snug enough on the ice. Will have to try those thicker socks next skate (which will be Friday). Depending on how the socks change the fit... I will probably throw Superfeet in these as my feet felt like they were moving around too much.


I actually don't find them more comfortable than other retail skates, I felt the edges dig into my ankles where other brands have the comfort edges. I actually feel like the last 3 pairs of CCM skates I had were more comfortable than these but just never fit my foot right.

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2 hours ago, DropGloveMurphy said:

TF7 update: got the spot causing discomfort taken care of so I used them for the first time yesterday. Went to a public skate before my game last night just to get a feel for them and gotta say that they're the most comfortable skates I've worn. The game went well, but towards the halfway point of the third I noticed my right heel felt like it was slipping out of the heel lock. Anyone else experience this or have an idea what may be causing it? It didn't feel like that during the first 2 periods or during public skate. I have some gel inserts I could throw in there if need be.

Could it be due to sweat? I found in the past if I got pretty sweaty the liners of my trues wouldn't wick away the sweat and would cause it to feel slippery especially in combination with dri fit type socks. Maybe try 100% cotton socks which absorb and not really wick sweat so it doesn't cause a layer of sweat between the socks and liner. I know the tf7 comes with a wick liner but it's all I can think of esp since you said it was fine during the first part of the skate.

Also, loosening of the laces could be the issue too. 

Btw did you just spot heat the area causing you issues to fix it?

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1 hour ago, Hills said:

I got a chance to wear my TF9s for the first time yesterday... so I am going to add a few details to this thread.

I tried on the 8.5W and 8W skates again. Putting my foot unbaked in the 8.5W skate had me questioning my statement of (half a size smaller than normal). So I baked them and my toes weren't close to the end like they are in any other brand in 8.5. Once they were tied up (even without the shrink wrapping to really pull the heel back) I could only make my middle toe touch when I stretched and basically jammed my foot forward. Everyone I talked to in the store had to go down half a size to be close to their normal skate fit. Both W and R widths alike. One person went from a 7D to a 6R as they felt they were swimming all over.

If I put Superfeet in my 8.0W my toes would never touch the ends of the skate, where as Superfeet in my 8.5EE CCM/Bauer they still touch slightly when standing.


The W felt REALLY wide throughout the skate, like Fit3 or Nexus wide. I baked them with thicker socks as I always have forefoot issues in retail EE skates but my entire foot felt like it wasn't snug enough on the ice. Will have to try those thicker socks next skate (which will be Friday). Depending on how the socks change the fit... I will probably throw Superfeet in these as my feet felt like they were moving around too much.


I actually don't find them more comfortable than other retail skates, I felt the edges dig into my ankles where other brands have the comfort edges. I actually feel like the last 3 pairs of CCM skates I had were more comfortable than these but just never fit my foot right.

Do you think the superfeet could help my issue any? After the re-bake and shrink wrap it give me a little more room. My toes still touch, not feather.

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17 minutes ago, jrchecker8 said:

Do you think the superfeet could help my issue any? After the re-bake and shrink wrap it give me a little more room. My toes still touch, not feather.

Possibly... but you also said they felt fine until you started skating and that you have to crank the laces tight. You shouldn't have to tighten True laces basically at all...

I think your skate is too big and probably at this point it is width wise. Your foot seems to be sliding forward when skating. What size shoes do you wear?

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1 hour ago, Sniper9 said:

Could it be due to sweat? I found in the past if I got pretty sweaty the liners of my trues wouldn't wick away the sweat and would cause it to feel slippery especially in combination with dri fit type socks. Maybe try 100% cotton socks which absorb and not really wick sweat so it doesn't cause a layer of sweat between the socks and liner. I know the tf7 comes with a wick liner but it's all I can think of esp since you said it was fine during the first part of the skate.

Also, loosening of the laces could be the issue too. 

Btw did you just spot heat the area causing you issues to fix it?

I thought it may be because of how sweaty I get, but I've never experienced it in any other skates so I thought that answer may be too simple. I've got some of the Elite pro laces that hold a bit tighter than the standard set that came on the skates, I'll see if that helps then move to trying different socks if need be.

To fix the pressure point I used the tissue method and spot heating.

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1 hour ago, Hills said:

Possibly... but you also said they felt fine until you started skating and that you have to crank the laces tight. You shouldn't have to tighten True laces basically at all...

I think your skate is too big and probably at this point it is width wise. Your foot seems to be sliding forward when skating. What size shoes do you wear?

i dont think its too big, when i first put the skate on and kick my heal back to set it into the heal pocket my toes still touch the toe cap. I wear a 10.5-11 depending on brand. most of the time its 10.5 in the shoe size. 

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24 minutes ago, jrchecker8 said:

i dont think its too big, when i first put the skate on and kick my heal back to set it into the heal pocket my toes still touch the toe cap. I wear a 10.5-11 depending on brand. most of the time its 10.5 in the shoe size. 

I specifically meant width and not length. Like I said, you shouldn't have to crank True skates to make them fit... that is kind of the point of them is that they form so well to your foot you don't have to tighten skates.

For comparison... I wear a size 11 shoe and an 8 TF9 and 8.5 CCM (which is an 8 in the CCM you have).

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On 9/28/2020 at 1:53 PM, Hills said:

I specifically meant width and not length. Like I said, you shouldn't have to crank True skates to make them fit... that is kind of the point of them is that they form so well to your foot you don't have to tighten skates.

For comparison... I wear a size 11 shoe and an 8 TF9 and 8.5 CCM (which is an 8 in the CCM you have).

My buddy got scanned for Bauer 6.5 EE and went with 8 TF9. Claims his toe just touches the tip. YMMV. 

Was coming from (poorly) fitting Grafs. Says the fit is "10x better". 

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7 minutes ago, pgeorgan said:

My buddy got scanned for Bauer 6.5 EE and went with 8 TF9. Claims his toe just touches the tip. YMMV. 

Was coming from (poorly) fitting Grafs. Says the fit is "10x better". 

Sorry... but if your buddy is scanning in at 1.5 sizes BIGGER than the Bauer scan... I am not trusting what your friend is saying on how his skates fit.

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14 minutes ago, Hills said:

Sorry... but if your buddy is scanning in at 1.5 sizes BIGGER than the Bauer scan... I am not trusting what your friend is saying on how his skates fit.

Sounds like his current skates may have been a little tight or poorly fitted and his new skates are too big. Could be one of those who add length to compensate for lack of width. 

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33 minutes ago, stick9 said:

Sounds like his current skates may have been a little tight or poorly fitted and his new skates are too big. Could be one of those who add length to compensate for lack of width. 

The amount of people that mention how comfortable their skates are and how they fit better but are basically wearing boats is amazing. I had a woman online tell me she was in a 5.5 True and wears a 6.5 Woman's shoe... For comparison Breezie on this site wears a 7.5 Woman's shoe and a 4 skate.

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