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22 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

Ok, I am 100% convinced there is something crazy going on with TRUE sizing.

Here are pics comparing my TRUE customs vs a size 7R in the first photo.

The second photo is my TRUE customs compared to a size 6.5R TF9. Both have 272 holders.

To think I have to go to a size 6R is crazy. That would be 1.5 sizes down from Bauer and CCM!

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Looks like I'll be sticking with customs. Lol. 

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58 minutes ago, Sniper9 said:

That's looks about right doesnt it? The bauer being a size larger, and the bauer looks like it is larger. 

I think a size 7.0R TRUE TF9 would be considerably smaller than a size 8.0 Bauer skate. When putting both of these on they almost feel the same in size.

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1 hour ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

I think a size 7.0R TRUE TF9 would be considerably smaller than a size 8.0 Bauer skate. When putting both of these on they almost feel the same in size.

Wonder why that is... Esp since the tries actually look smaller 

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1 hour ago, Sniper9 said:

Wonder why that is... Esp since the tries actually look smaller 

The TRUE skates in the pic are smaller, they are a size 7. The Bauer is a size 8. I don't see a full size difference between the two. Do you? 

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1 hour ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

The TRUE skates in the pic are smaller, they are a size 7. The Bauer is a size 8. I don't see a full size difference between the two. Do you? 

To me it kind of does. With your experience in the previous pics I would expect the true 7r and Bauer 8ee to be the same in length.  Maybe it's a quality control thing more than anything with mislabeled sizes? Did u match the size inside the boot with the tongue.  

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21 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

I don't have ridiculously wide feet but mine are slightly wide. I also have very high arches too. It's not super difficult to get the skates on/off but there absolutely was a learning curve to figuring out how to do it. I totally understand your frustration. For the first couple of months it drove me nuts. 

I decided to give them another chance today and I was able to get my feet a little easier.  I’m still not a fan of them being this hard to get into.  I got a skate with them, overall good minus they are not profiled to my liking and they felt a tad roomy in the toe box when skating.  I’m still on the fence on them but may give them another try or 2.

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2 hours ago, Sniper9 said:

To me it kind of does. With your experience in the previous pics I would expect the true 7r and Bauer 8ee to be the same in length.  Maybe it's a quality control thing more than anything with mislabeled sizes? Did u match the size inside the boot with the tongue.  

I owned multiple hockey stores until recently.... of course I double and triple checked these things. Also, this is a 7R TRUE vs a Bauer 8 Fit2 (D)

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Howdy,

In the length pics from @SkateWorksPNW, are those with the back/bottom of the boot resting on a reference block or the holder/steel?

Just wanting to confirm that you're seeing boot sizing vs. fore/aft holder mounting location.

Appreciate the sizing info... I don't immediately need skates, but the TF7 is what I'm thinking I'll go to reasonably soon since my Mako M8's have seen better days at this point.  I don't really care what number they put on there, as long as I can get some that fit!

Mark

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33 minutes ago, marka said:

Howdy,

In the length pics from @SkateWorksPNW, are those with the back/bottom of the boot resting on a reference block or the holder/steel?

Just wanting to confirm that you're seeing boot sizing vs. fore/aft holder mounting location.

Appreciate the sizing info... I don't immediately need skates, but the TF7 is what I'm thinking I'll go to reasonably soon since my Mako M8's have seen better days at this point.  I don't really care what number they put on there, as long as I can get some that fit!

Mark

In this pic the boots do not have any holders attached so its showing heel to toe in length. 

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It's a bit hard to see much with any precision when looking at your pictures, @SkateWorksPNW. Your camera looks like it might be handheld because the floor line slants down to the left and you tend to put the smaller skate on the left. The skate on the right looks bigger in both cases, but in the True custom / True stock photo, it appears you might also be positioning the camera closer to the skates, which would make the scale different in the two shots.

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1 hour ago, flip12 said:

It's a bit hard to see much with any precision when looking at your pictures, @SkateWorksPNW. Your camera looks like it might be handheld because the floor line slants down to the left and you tend to put the smaller skate on the left. The skate on the right looks bigger in both cases, but in the True custom / True stock photo, it appears you might also be positioning the camera closer to the skates, which would make the scale different in the two shots.

You can look at how much space there is at the front and rear of the holder to see the length difference. 

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On 6/30/2020 at 7:03 PM, Miller55 said:

That's what it looks like, which is pretty crazy, because that would mean that True's top of the line retail skate, if it is really comparable to the other big brands spec-wise and performance-wise, will come in at almost $400 cheaper than top of the line Bauer and CCM. 

I'm really interested to find out if the TF9 is actually on par with the other top of the line skates. I always wanted to try a pair of true but could never justify it as I fit retail Supremes pretty decent. But at that price it's a lot more appealing. 

It's a completely diff feel. And personal preference. I for one will never wear another skate, unless true changes their skate so much it's a diff fit years from now. 

I went from Bauer supremes for years with no issues except a small hot spot when walking to and from the change room. I tried trues and it was incredible. I then tried the as1 which was the worst break in period I've ever had. Once that was over though the skate felt fine but I had to be careful not to tie them up too tight or it gave me lacebite which I never had before. Taking passes off the as1 hurt like hell, I couldn't imagine taking shots off the boot. I took a hard slapper on my trues and although it did hurt and left a bruise, I didn't miss the shift. 

Went back to trues and am staying loyal. I tried on some vapors just to walk around earlier this year and I didn't like the fit and lack of comfort. 

Again that's just me. It's all preference. If you have no issues at all with what you're using right now, there's no point changing other than being curious or being a gear whore like some or maybe most of us on this forum are 🤪

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I'm noticing a lot of people are changing out the SHIFT holder with the LS Edge or XS. What are people's thought on the SHIFT holder? I find them to be ok...neither good or nor bad except for how short the steel height is. 

I'm thinking about changing them out and up-sizing to a 263 from a 254 but worried about how the holes will align/ overlap. I have a lot of 263 steel lying around and like the extra height on the steel compared to the SHIFT holder.

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I'm still on the Shift as I also find them to be OK - nothing to write home about, and because they are not commonly available replacing steel and/or holder will end up being expensive. So when either of those break I'll switch to LS Edge simply because of the availability, but I don't have an issue with it so I won't replace them prematurely.

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On 10/18/2020 at 9:49 PM, ChrisG72 said:

Curious if anyone is using superfeet with their tf7/9s.

I am using superfeet carbon pro yellows.  I was tired of trying to get the arch supports that came with the skates to stay in place.  They always came off when I took my skates off.  I like the superfeet. 

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5 hours ago, karvy said:

I am using superfeet carbon pro yellows.  I was tired of trying to get the arch supports that came with the skates to stay in place.  They always came off when I took my skates off.  I like the superfeet. 

I have to use the arch supports as well.  I will try out the carbon superfeet instead.  Also ordered some Powerfoot inserts to help with the room in the toes.

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21 hours ago, Sniper9 said:

It's a completely diff feel. And personal preference. I for one will never wear another skate, unless true changes their skate so much it's a diff fit years from now. 

I went from Bauer supremes for years with no issues except a small hot spot when walking to and from the change room. I tried trues and it was incredible. I then tried the as1 which was the worst break in period I've ever had. Once that was over though the skate felt fine but I had to be careful not to tie them up too tight or it gave me lacebite which I never had before. Taking passes off the as1 hurt like hell, I couldn't imagine taking shots off the boot. I took a hard slapper on my trues and although it did hurt and left a bruise, I didn't miss the shift. 

Went back to trues and am staying loyal. I tried on some vapors just to walk around earlier this year and I didn't like the fit and lack of comfort. 

Again that's just me. It's all preference. If you have no issues at all with what you're using right now, there's no point changing other than being curious or being a gear whore like some or maybe most of us on this forum are 🤪

Agreed. I had a pair of pro return True customs that were incredible comfortable. Ended up selling them for a profit and going for the TF9s, but I'm just not a huge fan of the low cut boot. Same issue I had with Mako IIs and MLXs (although MLXs were also a bit of a volume issue for me). 

Never had an issue with Supremes before, but lately I'm finding that they're not very comfortable for the ankle that I broke a while back. They're very supportive, but not too comfortable. I'm looking into other options at this point, but the low cut of True concerns me. I'm looking into Ribcores or Grafs, but haven't had a chance to try anything on yet

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23 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

You can look at how much space there is at the front and rear of the holder to see the length difference. 

I noticed that in the first go 'round. However, looking at it more carefully now, there's a notable difference in the articulation of the heels of the two skates. The heel of your custom boot is much more radiused. A visual guess at what an x-ray might reveal makes me think there's more negative space in that bottom triangle between the horizontal of the boot becoming the vertical. I have no doubt the stock boot would pass as bigger if we could slice both down the middle and inspect the volume better, both metrically and visually, but there are still some apples to oranges issues I'm seeing in the comparison itself, visual illusions that contribute to the perceived size difference.

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Just wondering if anyone has switched out the shift holder to tuuk?  Coming from Bauer definitely felt different on the ice.  Still need to get them profiled which may help a bit.

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Just now, ChrisG72 said:

Just wondering if anyone has switched out the shift holder to tuuk?  Coming from Bauer definitely felt different on the ice.  Still need to get them profiled which may help a bit.

I changed mine out.

I wanted to give True a full chance including the Shift holder. It was extremely awkward from the first moment I stepped on the ice. For me the skates had a very aggressive forward lean with the heel feeling high. When skating it felt as though the ball of my foot was way ‘over’ the toe of the steel. I especially struggled while skating backwards. After about 3 frustrating skates the pro shop re-profiled the steel and moved the low point of the blade a bit forward. It helped marginally but I was never able to feel good skating backwards.

After about 7 skates I finally gave in and had Tuuks put on. I felt back to normal in about 5 minutes. 

As a note the boot itself is built to promote a bit more forward lean compared to Bauer (which is all I have skated on for many years). But once I was back on Tuuks it was easy to adjust and I don’t notice anymore. My Customs on Tuuks are the most comfortable setup I’ve ever skated on  

 

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26 minutes ago, pucks_putts said:

I changed mine out.

I wanted to give True a full chance including the Shift holder. It was extremely awkward from the first moment I stepped on the ice. For me the skates had a very aggressive forward lean with the heel feeling high. When skating it felt as though the ball of my foot was way ‘over’ the toe of the steel. I especially struggled while skating backwards. After about 3 frustrating skates the pro shop re-profiled the steel and moved the low point of the blade a bit forward. It helped marginally but I was never able to feel good skating backwards.

After about 7 skates I finally gave in and had Tuuks put on. I felt back to normal in about 5 minutes. 

As a note the boot itself is built to promote a bit more forward lean compared to Bauer (which is all I have skated on for many years). But once I was back on Tuuks it was easy to adjust and I don’t notice anymore. My Customs on Tuuks are the most comfortable setup I’ve ever skated on  

 

Thanks for the feedback.  I felt the same awkwardness and forward lean as you described.  I thought about giving them a chance but feel I’ll be better off with the tuuks.

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12 hours ago, Miller55 said:

Agreed. I had a pair of pro return True customs that were incredible comfortable. Ended up selling them for a profit and going for the TF9s, but I'm just not a huge fan of the low cut boot. Same issue I had with Mako IIs and MLXs (although MLXs were also a bit of a volume issue for me). 

Never had an issue with Supremes before, but lately I'm finding that they're not very comfortable for the ankle that I broke a while back. They're very supportive, but not too comfortable. I'm looking into other options at this point, but the low cut of True concerns me. I'm looking into Ribcores or Grafs, but haven't had a chance to try anything on yet

I think if you got try customs you can request a higher cut. You should see if this is an option as I know I've read them doing a lower cut boot and also reduced facing for less wrap. 

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2 hours ago, Sniper9 said:

I think if you got try customs you can request a higher cut. You should see if this is an option as I know I've read them doing a lower cut boot and also reduced facing for less wrap. 

I'll look into it. They seem pretty accommodating, I just assumed it sort of defeats the purpose of this style skate and the whole speed skating influence. 

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6 hours ago, pucks_putts said:

After about 7 skates I finally gave in and had Tuuks put on. I felt back to normal in about 5 minutes. 

Did you go with the same size holder? If so, did one side of the holes line up (iirc the inside should line up) or did you / the shop have to redrill both sides?

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