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1 hour ago, Sniper9 said:

It's weird to think there wasn't much room to get a holder one size up to fit since the boot itself should technically be about the same as as your previous skates. Going half a size down in trues would only mean their boots are overrated for it's size .. which confuses me why their size 6.5 skates require a 254 holder if in theory their 6.5 is the same length as ccm or Bauer 7 which uses a 263 holder 

No idea, just thought it felt and looked a little weird.  I’m used to seeing the front tip of the Holder sticking out the front of the boot a bit when looking down at the skates.  I know all skates/holders are constructed differently, but it’s not something I was used to seeing.

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2 hours ago, th6252 said:

No idea, just thought it felt and looked a little weird.  I’m used to seeing the front tip of the Holder sticking out the front of the boot a bit when looking down at the skates.  I know all skates/holders are constructed differently, but it’s not something I was used to seeing.

Oh well. Just change the holders. If I were to get stock Trues I'd swap em out for xs holders anyways. Even with customs id just have them predrilled for xs holders and the shift holder unmounted

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On 10/4/2020 at 10:58 PM, Sniper9 said:

Oh well. Just change the holders. If I were to get stock Trues I'd swap em out for xs holders anyways. Even with customs id just have them predrilled for xs holders and the shift holder unmounted

They don't send customs unmounted anymore. 

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On 10/4/2020 at 5:35 PM, th6252 said:

No idea, just thought it felt and looked a little weird.  I’m used to seeing the front tip of the Holder sticking out the front of the boot a bit when looking down at the skates.  I know all skates/holders are constructed differently, but it’s not something I was used to seeing.

You should always try and have the holder mounted as far back as possible. This is a pretty good explanation why: 

http://bladesbytodd.com/2015/08/09/mounts/

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1 hour ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

You should always try and have the holder mounted as far back as possible. This is a pretty good explanation why: 

http://bladesbytodd.com/2015/08/09/mounts/

The only thing is there is so much that has changed in the hockey skate. cut of boot and so on. Not a bad base to start with and using something similar but I wouldn't be going by that as my #1 reference but a good read. 

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5 hours ago, oldtrainerguy28 said:

They don't send customs unmounted anymore. 

That's pretty unfortunate... Takes away how s skate is custom ..

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Hey everyone! New to the forum from NS, Canada.  I've been reading the posts and lots of great info and insight on these skates.  I've been interested in True skates since they first came out.  I was a CCM skater for a number of years and switched to Bauer last season.  I have a wide foot and went with Bauer Nexus but have not been happy with the feel and fit.  I started thinking about True Custom but then I saw retail versions coming out.  I went down to my local store and tried a pair out.  I could not get my foot in at all, crazy how stiff these are, but once they were heated up, I was able to get them on and I was impressed with the fit.  I see its common for them to be hard to get on and off.  I found out there are some tricks putting them on and heating up the eyelet cuffs to flare it out some should help.  I'm looking forward to getting out on them in the next few days and will report back after some ice sessions.

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Update:

After a few weeks of skating in the TF9 and my custom TRUE skates, I think the sizing is significantly off. I wear a 7 1/4E right skate and a 7 E left skate in customs for both Bauer and CCM.

In retail skates, I typically go with a size 7.5EE which seems to work fine. There is slightly more room than I would prefer but when I but in my powerfoot inserts everything feels perfect. 

I grabbed a size 7.5R, 7R, and 6.5R in the TRUE TF9. Size 7.5R was way too big in both length and volume before baking which was significantly worse after baking. I feel like my foot is swimming in the skate like I am wearing a size 8EE. Size 6.5 was too small in length but felt great in width. The size 7R felt good before baking in length and width and was slightly better fitting after baking. The skate really seemed to give a more volume after the bake but after adding some powerfoot these also felt pretty good. Not as good as my customs, obviously, but for a retail skate they felt nice. 

Fast forward a few weeks and many ice times later and the TF9 7R now feels too big in both length and width. The skates feel sloppy like I am putting my foot in a Nexus skate when I need something more standard. I am unable to use them without feeling out of control on the ice and don't trust my edges do to the lack of connected feeling. 

I baked the size 6.5R and my toes were definitely smashed into the toe cap before baking but after baking the fit loosed up a little. I am still getting "hammer toes" but every skate as the foams and boot break in more I am gaining more space and volume I the boot and the boot is beginning to fit better. I also baked the 6.5R after every few ice times which has also helped as well. 

What's shocking is I was able to mount a size 272 holder to the 6.5R without any issues or having the holder hang off the ends of the skate. I am so confused with the fit of these skates that I honestly don't even know what to advise to people anymore who ask me about the proper size they should order. 

Perhaps my custom skates have spoiled me. All of my custom skates fit me nicely, as they should, but even the retail models of Bauer and CCM seems to also fit my specific foot very well. I am just having a hard time processing that I need a size 6.5R skate in the TRUE retail skates. Obviously, the skate is longer in overall length than the rating suggests otherwise there is NO WAY I could fit a 272 holder on a 6.5R skate without having it hang off the ends. 

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What you're saying makes sense to me - as an 8EE Mako II user I thought I'd be an 8W in the TF9's, but when I tried those on they were clearly too long. When I tried on the 7.5W they felt like they had more room in the forefoot than my 8EE Makos without even being baked (but the heel felt tighter). The 7.5W's felt like I could go skate with them without baking; so I'd be a little concerned that they'd feel too big after baking and break in. I was thinking that if I do buy a TF9 or TF7 in the future I should try on a 7W, 7R, 7.5R and 7.5W (if the shop will let me bake one or two of them after I narrowed down the sizes that'd be ideal, but I know not all shops will do that). 

Usually after trying on a skate I'm pretty confident what size I'd need, but right now the only thing I'm sure of is that the 8W is definitely too big. I don't need skates right now anyway since I have backup Mako II's and all the hockey around here has been suspended until at least mid-Nov, but these seem to be the most likely skates to replace my Mako II's when it's time. 

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This is what makes me unsure about skates you have to bake to try on at all. Everything close feels good when it’s warm and soft and molding to your foot. But, a half size up or down is more noticeable when the materials are cooled and hardened, and it goes back to feeling like a skate and not like a soft sneaker. 

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I really don't get how you can get more volume out of a pair of skates. The only way I've ever heard is when the tongue compresses a bit. Not sure how the quarters can stretch. I remember this being a thing with Alkali years ago, but I just never understood it

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2 hours ago, Miller55 said:

I really don't get how you can get more volume out of a pair of skates. The only way I've ever heard is when the tongue compresses a bit. Not sure how the quarters can stretch. I remember this being a thing with Alkali years ago, but I just never understood it

Foams break down or compress which gives more volume. 

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3 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

Foams break down or compress which gives more volume. 

Esp now days with foams being thicker which in term result in more packing and more of a size discrepancy once that happens. 

I know the Trues have noticeably more foam in the heel area vs ccm and Bauer. That might contribute as to why the external length of the skate is longer than ccm or Bauer but internally are closer to the true size? 

Either way it sucks for ppp who can't try the skates on in store bc this obviously is an issue for people when trying to find the right size in these skates and can only purchase online. 

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For the experts out there, I am hoping for advice and if the below is something you might be able to help me tackle I’d actually gladly pay for a video chat consultation to help me address my skate/skating issues.

Would anyone have experience trying to alleviate severe pain in ball of foot (big toe side) issues? Its localized on my left foot exactly where the anchor rivet is in the holder below the ball of the foot.

I’ve tried the usual ball of foot pain pads but they make the pain worse as it increases the pressure on the area. So far, I have managed to Frankenstein a solution by:

a.       Removing the rivet which obviously cant be great for structural integrity of the skate. Oddly, the pain was worse when the stock copper flat head rivet than replacing with a steel rivet, before I just removed them altogether which reduced the pain most.

b.       Then using the speed plate as a base, then laying a regular cushioned tennis shoe footbed on top of it, THEN adding the regular stock skate footbed on top of that.    

c.       I did also add a lateral side shim in an attempt to redistribute my weight away from the medial side.

This total combination of factors has helped largely eliminate the issue. However, the current Vapor 1x’s I’m in are breaking down and I’m needing to get new skates. Hoping for a more elegant solution than the one I came up with, and I am also not wanting to repeat this tedious process of troubleshooting the issue in a new skate last and all the complexities associated with it.

The reason I am posting on the True thread is hoping that a custom VH fitting might be able to help address this - or will it actually compound the problem in case I need to go with adding additional padding in the footbed where the skate is so tight that I will be unable to do so after its fitted.   

Also…

Where I am more interested in the VH fit skates is that I also have a talocalcaneal coalition in my right foot – it’s a congenital condition where two of the tarsal bones grow fused together and create a large bony protrusion where the talus and calcaneus meet, just below the medial malleolus.

Essentially, it results in mild/severe pronation, and I cannot supinate the foot. The effect is that I have always had trouble really controlling the inside edge (presents as severe chattering at best or simply just catching the edge when stopping on my right side at high speeds). Sudden stops are out of the question and actually dangerous to do. I did have lateral shims installed but only mild improvement.   

So would a custom fitting help to address the bony protusion for which I’ve had to punch the crap out of my Vapors to accommodate, and also help experiment if needed with aligning the holder to address some of the pronation/inability to supinate?

Any help would be great, thank you.

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3 hours ago, ysheen812 said:

For the experts out there, I am hoping for advice and if the below is something you might be able to help me tackle I’d actually gladly pay for a video chat consultation to help me address my skate/skating issues.

Would anyone have experience trying to alleviate severe pain in ball of foot (big toe side) issues? Its localized on my left foot exactly where the anchor rivet is in the holder below the ball of the foot.

I’ve tried the usual ball of foot pain pads but they make the pain worse as it increases the pressure on the area. So far, I have managed to Frankenstein a solution by:

a.       Removing the rivet which obviously cant be great for structural integrity of the skate. Oddly, the pain was worse when the stock copper flat head rivet than replacing with a steel rivet, before I just removed them altogether which reduced the pain most.

b.       Then using the speed plate as a base, then laying a regular cushioned tennis shoe footbed on top of it, THEN adding the regular stock skate footbed on top of that.    

c.       I did also add a lateral side shim in an attempt to redistribute my weight away from the medial side.

This total combination of factors has helped largely eliminate the issue. However, the current Vapor 1x’s I’m in are breaking down and I’m needing to get new skates. Hoping for a more elegant solution than the one I came up with, and I am also not wanting to repeat this tedious process of troubleshooting the issue in a new skate last and all the complexities associated with it.

The reason I am posting on the True thread is hoping that a custom VH fitting might be able to help address this - or will it actually compound the problem in case I need to go with adding additional padding in the footbed where the skate is so tight that I will be unable to do so after its fitted.   

Also…

Where I am more interested in the VH fit skates is that I also have a talocalcaneal coalition in my right foot – it’s a congenital condition where two of the tarsal bones grow fused together and create a large bony protrusion where the talus and calcaneus meet, just below the medial malleolus.

Essentially, it results in mild/severe pronation, and I cannot supinate the foot. The effect is that I have always had trouble really controlling the inside edge (presents as severe chattering at best or simply just catching the edge when stopping on my right side at high speeds). Sudden stops are out of the question and actually dangerous to do. I did have lateral shims installed but only mild improvement.   

So would a custom fitting help to address the bony protusion for which I’ve had to punch the crap out of my Vapors to accommodate, and also help experiment if needed with aligning the holder to address some of the pronation/inability to supinate?

Any help would be great, thank you.

Where are you located? 

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17 minutes ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

Where are you located? 

Unfortunately Im in Tokyo which is why I'm reaching out on the board and hoping for a remote/virtual based solution. Thanks!

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On 10/16/2020 at 10:59 AM, SkateWorksPNW said:

Update:

After a few weeks of skating in the TF9 and my custom TRUE skates, I think the sizing is significantly off. I wear a 7 1/4E right skate and a 7 E left skate in customs for both Bauer and CCM.

In retail skates, I typically go with a size 7.5EE which seems to work fine. There is slightly more room than I would prefer but when I but in my powerfoot inserts everything feels perfect. 

I grabbed a size 7.5R, 7R, and 6.5R in the TRUE TF9. Size 7.5R was way too big in both length and volume before baking which was significantly worse after baking. I feel like my foot is swimming in the skate like I am wearing a size 8EE. Size 6.5 was too small in length but felt great in width. The size 7R felt good before baking in length and width and was slightly better fitting after baking. The skate really seemed to give a more volume after the bake but after adding some powerfoot these also felt pretty good. Not as good as my customs, obviously, but for a retail skate they felt nice. 

Fast forward a few weeks and many ice times later and the TF9 7R now feels too big in both length and width. The skates feel sloppy like I am putting my foot in a Nexus skate when I need something more standard. I am unable to use them without feeling out of control on the ice and don't trust my edges do to the lack of connected feeling. 

I baked the size 6.5R and my toes were definitely smashed into the toe cap before baking but after baking the fit loosed up a little. I am still getting "hammer toes" but every skate as the foams and boot break in more I am gaining more space and volume I the boot and the boot is beginning to fit better. I also baked the 6.5R after every few ice times which has also helped as well. 

What's shocking is I was able to mount a size 272 holder to the 6.5R without any issues or having the holder hang off the ends of the skate. I am so confused with the fit of these skates that I honestly don't even know what to advise to people anymore who ask me about the proper size they should order. 

Perhaps my custom skates have spoiled me. All of my custom skates fit me nicely, as they should, but even the retail models of Bauer and CCM seems to also fit my specific foot very well. I am just having a hard time processing that I need a size 6.5R skate in the TRUE retail skates. Obviously, the skate is longer in overall length than the rating suggests otherwise there is NO WAY I could fit a 272 holder on a 6.5R skate without having it hang off the ends. 

 

 

Ok, I am 100% convinced there is something crazy going on with TRUE sizing.

Here are pics comparing my TRUE customs vs a size 7R in the first photo.

The second photo is my TRUE customs compared to a size 6.5R TF9. Both have 272 holders. My custom skates are basically a size 7.25 when compared to Bauer and CCM. 

To think I have to go to a size 6R is crazy. That would be 1.5 sizes down from Bauer and CCM!

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1 hour ago, Hills said:

But people told me my sizing comments were wrong and they fit true to size 🤔

Size 8.0 Fit2 Bauer Supreme 3S compared against a TRUE TF9 size 7.0R

I don't know if this is the case with all sizes of TRUE TF9 vs other brands but at least in size 6.5R-7.5R, it seems they run about 3/4 of a size large. 

 

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Sadly looks like I’m going to return my tf9s.  After baking them and doing the eyelet cuff flare out, when they cool down it’s still too difficult for me to get my feet into.  High arch and wide feet be damned!!! :(  I Tried putting my foot in with the skate sideways and twisting but doesn’t work.  The outside of the boot digs into my foot and wants to take a layer of skin off, ouch!!  Once they are on, they fit great, sadly just too much hassle.  I don’t want to over due it on heating and widening the outside, then the fit will be compromised.

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39 minutes ago, ChrisG72 said:

Sadly looks like I’m going to return my tf9s.  After baking them and doing the eyelet cuff flare out, when they cool down it’s still too difficult for me to get my feet into.  High arch and wide feet be damned!!! :(  I Tried putting my foot in with the skate sideways and twisting but doesn’t work.  The outside of the boot digs into my foot and wants to take a layer of skin off, ouch!!  Once they are on, they fit great, sadly just too much hassle.  I don’t want to over due it on heating and widening the outside, then the fit will be compromised.

I don't have ridiculously wide feet but mine are slightly wide. I also have very high arches too. It's not super difficult to get the skates on/off but there absolutely was a learning curve to figuring out how to do it. I totally understand your frustration. For the first couple of months it drove me nuts. 

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22 hours ago, ysheen812 said:

So would a custom fitting help to address the bony protusion for which I’ve had to punch the crap out of my Vapors to accommodate, and also help experiment if needed with aligning the holder to address some of the pronation/inability to supinate?

Any help would be great, thank you.

Will a custom fitting address pronation? Short answer is no. Long answer is yes but... 

Will a custom fitting address the bony protusion? Yes but only if they get the measurements right. 

As to your foot pain, I suspect it's because of the shape of the foot in the boot and its loading up on the forefoot pad, this is very common with pronation. I have dealt with it and helped other players with it.

pm me (or start a new thread) if you want more info as this isn't the thread to discuss this. The sad reality is that there isn't a quick or easy fix.

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21 hours ago, SkateWorksPNW said:

Size 8.0 Fit2 Bauer Supreme 3S compared against a TRUE TF9 size 7.0R

I don't know if this is the case with all sizes of TRUE TF9 vs other brands but at least in size 6.5R-7.5R, it seems they run about 3/4 of a size large. 

 

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That's looks about right doesnt it? The bauer being a size larger, and the bauer looks like it is larger. 

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