Jump to content
Slate Blackcurrant Watermelon Strawberry Orange Banana Apple Emerald Chocolate Marble
Slate Blackcurrant Watermelon Strawberry Orange Banana Apple Emerald Chocolate Marble
marka

TRUE TF9/TF7 skates

Recommended Posts

On 5/9/2021 at 10:31 PM, flip12 said:

@marka I think it was the tongues throwing some people off? The thicker TF7 tongue gave the impression of less forefoot volume and overall length compared to the thinner TF9 tongue.

Between the TF9 and TF7 the shell form is the same, foam type and thickness aren’t noticeably different, liner is of course slightly sleeker on the TF9, but the major differentiator is the tongue.

This is correct. From what I have seen in store fitting players for TF7/9 skates that they usually go with a 0.5 size larger when selecting a TF7 over the TF9. I think this is dude to the tongue and because the TF9 is slightly more thermoformable than the TF7. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Can’t speak to the FT7 tongues, but I did purchase the T-guard felt tongues (preferred the traditional look) for my TF9s and it took up a lot more volume inside the boot compared to the standard, thinner, memory foam-like TF9 tongue. I loosened the laces to compensate and then fit was fine, but probably could have rebaked to properly account for the added space it took up

 

https://www.hockeyvancouver.ca/products/true-t-guard-felt-replacement-skate-tongues?_pos=4&_sid=37f11553a&_ss=r

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Westside said:

Can’t speak to the FT7 tongues, but I did purchase the T-guard felt tongues (preferred the traditional look) for my TF9s and it took up a lot more volume inside the boot compared to the standard, thinner, memory foam-like TF9 tongue. I loosened the laces to compensate and then fit was fine, but probably could have rebaked to properly account for the added space it took up

 

https://www.hockeyvancouver.ca/products/true-t-guard-felt-replacement-skate-tongues?_pos=4&_sid=37f11553a&_ss=r

I did the opposite. Bought some pro tongues for my TF7. They gave me more room and a little bit more lenght. And they are way more comfortable than the TF7 felt tongues, the fit/lock also improved.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So I'm trying to grab a pair of TF9, but no local shops are carrying them unfortunately. It'll be about 2 months before I'm planning to be by a shop that stocks these and I'll probably need skates sooner. 

I'm between a Bauer Supreme 8.5 Fit3 and 9 Fit2, so tentatively an 8.75 length. I'm assuming I'll go with an 8 TF9 for length, but I'm unsure about the width. My heel is somewhat wide and I have very flat feet. In proper dress shoes I wear a 10EE.

Not sure if an 8R in the TF9 will open up enough for me in the width, or of I should go with an 8W or maybe a 7.5W. Concerned that a W will be too sloppy after baking, out that an R won't expand enough in width to accommodate my heel. Any suggestions? @PBH or others who are knowledgeable on this subject.

 

In theory I always have the option of ordering a few pairs from IW and baking them to see, but I'm hoping to not have to order 3 pairs of $600 skates...

Edited by Miller55

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have 7W True TF9s converted for inline. The Bauer 3D scan put me in a 7.5 Fit 3 (I think between 7.5 and 8 as the associate brought me those sizes to try after the scan). I wear 8EE Mako II's for ice. I've baked the TF9s twice and have worn them twice. 

Externally, the 8EE Makos and 7W TF9s look the same and the depth is also the same.

On my feet, the 7W TF9s fit my left foot perfectly with my toes brushing and no negative space. My right foot is firm against the cap with the TF9s - I could use a mm or two of room with my right foot, but it's not painful.

My 8EE's feel just a touch longer than the 7W TF9s (so about a quarter size bigger). The TF9 locks my heel in really well and the midfoot is even tighter than the Mako after baking. The Mako toe box is more comfortable for my foot. 

So, if you're between an 8.5 and 9 Bauer, I'd guess that size 8 TF9s would be the right length. For width, I'd definitely say go with the W if you were a Fit 3, but between Fit 2 and 3 is a little tougher. I know my TF9s in W aren't sloppy at all, but there's no way I'd squeeze into a Fit 2. Maybe order an 8R and 8W from IW, bake both and see which feels better for you?

 

Edited by althoma1
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, althoma1 said:

I have 7W True TF9s converted for inline. The Bauer 3D scan put me in a 7.5 Fit 3 (I think between 7.5 and 8 as the associate brought me those sizes to try after the scan). I wear 8EE Mako II's for ice. I've baked the TF9s twice and have worn them twice. 

Externally, the 8EE Makos and 7W TF9s look the same and the depth is also the same.

On my feet, the 7W TF9s fit my left foot perfectly with my toes brushing and no negative space. My right foot is firm against the cap with the TF9s - I could use a mm or two of room with my right foot, but it's not painful.

My 8EE's feel just a touch longer than the 7W TF9s (so about a quarter size bigger). The TF9 locks my heel in really well and the midfoot is even tighter than the Mako after baking. The Mako toe box is more comfortable for my foot. 

So, if you're between an 8.5 and 9 Bauer, I'd guess that size 8 TF9s would be the right length. For width, I'd definitely say go with the W if you were a Fit 3, but between Fit 2 and 3 is a little tougher. I know my TF9s in W aren't sloppy at all, but there's no way I'd squeeze into a Fit 2. Maybe order an 8R and 8W from IW, bake both and see which feels better for you?

 

Thanks, as always, for taking the time to write this up. I hear what you're saying about width. I would have to stretch the Fit 2 in the forefoot most likely, the Fit 2/3 for me is more about the heel. For example, I couldn't get into an 8.5 Fit2, but I'm fine in an 8.5 Fit3, I would just clamp the heel a drop if I baked them. I'm thinking I'll order 8W from IW and bake them with the saran wrap method. If they feel to sloppy I'll just swap them for another pair. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Miller55 said:

Thanks, as always, for taking the time to write this up. I hear what you're saying about width. I would have to stretch the Fit 2 in the forefoot most likely, the Fit 2/3 for me is more about the heel. For example, I couldn't get into an 8.5 Fit2, but I'm fine in an 8.5 Fit3, I would just clamp the heel a drop if I baked them. I'm thinking I'll order 8W from IW and bake them with the saran wrap method. If they feel to sloppy I'll just swap them for another pair. 

I think that's a good plan. If you would need to stretch a Fit 2 in the forefoot then I would lean toward the 8W TF9s. The W TF9s have great heel lock and wrap really well for my feet. If you're ordering from IW it's very low risk since they honour the 30 day guarantee. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Has anyone had any issues with the TF9 digging into the area above your ankle (on the outside)? I don't think it's the top of the skate that's causing the issue but possibly the top eyelet which isn't laced. The eyelet doesn't seem recessed into the boot as much as it should be. 

I've flared out the cuff progressively wider a couple of times and it's gotten better each time but when I lean really forward, it still really bites into my leg. I will say that I've never skipped the top eyelet in the past and I seem to be able to get much more forward flex than any other skates (due to very little heel slippage). 

It's happening on both skates. In the past, I've had the top edge of skates dig into the side of my leg but I'd just wear a wristband for extra padding and it was fine. This seems to be lower and much more painful. Is it the skates or my skating technique that's causing the problem?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If it's happened in the past with other skates, it's your bio mechanics. You are pronating in the skates and this forces the top outer edge of the boot to drive into the leg.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, Vet88 said:

If it's happened in the past with other skates, it's your bio mechanics. You are pronating in the skates and this forces the top outer edge of the boot to drive into the leg.

My feet do pronate but it doesn't seem too bad in skates. My ankles don't bend inward when I'm standing or anything. I've read a lot of your posts about fixing pronation problems but is there anything I can do other than lacing less and getting stronger ankles?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/7/2021 at 11:15 PM, calixguy18 said:

Has anyone had any issues with the TF9 digging into the area above your ankle (on the outside)? I don't think it's the top of the skate that's causing the issue but possibly the top eyelet which isn't laced. The eyelet doesn't seem recessed into the boot as much as it should be. 

I've flared out the cuff progressively wider a couple of times and it's gotten better each time but when I lean really forward, it still really bites into my leg. I will say that I've never skipped the top eyelet in the past and I seem to be able to get much more forward flex than any other skates (due to very little heel slippage). 

It's happening on both skates. In the past, I've had the top edge of skates dig into the side of my leg but I'd just wear a wristband for extra padding and it was fine. This seems to be lower and much more painful. Is it the skates or my skating technique that's causing the problem?

Did you try the lipstick spot check Van Horne shows in a video? Put lipstick on the sore spot of your naked ankle/foot, put your skate on and then press your foot up against the skate. Because it sounds like it’s an area where your ankle is moving back and forth in the skate, try to replicate that motion with and without the tongue in place. I’m wondering if it could be the edge of the tongue, as the TF9 tongue lacks the usual plush felt around the edges like a traditional tongue would have.

Edited by flip12

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, calixguy18 said:

My feet do pronate but it doesn't seem too bad in skates. My ankles don't bend inward when I'm standing or anything. I've read a lot of your posts about fixing pronation problems but is there anything I can do other than lacing less and getting stronger ankles?

It's often not standing or straight line skating that is the issue. Deep turns and hard acceleration is when the impact is worse - you are pushing hard onto an extended, angled edge and the physical forces transferring thru the skate amplify any alignment issues. 

If you can find a good fitter for figure skates you could talk to them about moving the holder inwards and or shimming the outside edge of the holder. You can also try shims on the inside of the boot, the shims are inserted on the inside of the foot to try and correct pronation. Try a gel pad under the inside of the forefoot, this twists the forefoot towards the outside and helps to reshape the arch and can often reposition the ankle and knee alignment enough to correct a good degree of mild pronation. There are no easy fixes for pronation so its a matter of finding what works best for you.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Howdy,

Finally took the leap.  TF7 in 6.5R.  Coming from Mako M8 in 7.5.  These are definitely a bit shorter, but I wasn't brushing the toe cap in the Mako 7.5's and its "a bit".

Lots of changes... New boot obviously, but also the next size down runner and going from a Zuperior profile to the stock 9'/10' combo on the TF7, if this thread is to be believed.  At least I was able to keep the radius the same at a 3/4 Fire.  No idea what's going to happen when I hit the ice later tonight!

Mark

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, marka said:

Howdy,

Finally took the leap.  TF7 in 6.5R.  Coming from Mako M8 in 7.5.  These are definitely a bit shorter, but I wasn't brushing the toe cap in the Mako 7.5's and its "a bit".

Lots of changes... New boot obviously, but also the next size down runner and going from a Zuperior profile to the stock 9'/10' combo on the TF7, if this thread is to be believed.  At least I was able to keep the radius the same at a 3/4 Fire.  No idea what's going to happen when I hit the ice later tonight!

Mark

Let me guess:

A lot of agility and you can turn on a dime. Less speed and you are missing some steel underneath your heel. And maybe your edges are not sharp enough. Acceleration could be slower.

After trying an Ellipse 0 I just ordered an Ellipse XS profile for my TF7 in in 6.5R. And I changed the felt tongue for a pro tongue.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Howdy,

6 hours ago, hockeydad3 said:

Let me guess:

A lot of agility and you can turn on a dime. Less speed and you are missing some steel underneath your heel. And maybe your edges are not sharp enough. Acceleration could be slower.

After trying an Ellipse 0 I just ordered an Ellipse XS profile for my TF7 in in 6.5R. And I changed the felt tongue for a pro tongue.

Not really... No.  🙂

Stability under my heel was ok.  Stumbled over my toes a couple times though.  Agility felt pretty similar... Boots seemed stiffer / felt more solid, but countering that it seemed like I could pivot them on the ice or something slightly better.  Overall a wash on agility.

Fit-wise... Maybe I went too small.  But maybe not too.  Just after putting the skates on and in a bit of a crouch my toes don't touch the endcap unless I 'reach' for them.  But on the ice, particularly when skating backwards (but other times too), my toes hit the endcap reasonably hard.  Certainly much more than a "brush".  I tried tightening the laces along the whole skate because it felt like maybe my foot was moving forward in the skate.  That definitely helped, so I'll try that again today.  In my old makos if I tightened the laces that much my arches would KILL me, but in these (with the "Large" arch supports), no arch pain at all.  That was probably the most surprising thing of the whole deal.

It makes me wonder if I've got a little too much forward pitch.

I also feel a bit of pressure on the side of the inside of my foot at the top of my arch.  Considering trimming down the arch support so that it doesn't wrap up the side of the boot as much, but I want to find some youtube vids or something where someone shows how you're supposed to use the arch supports.  Its not symmetrically shaped there front to back, and I'm not sure the shop put it in the right way either.

The laces are also crazy long.  🙂

Pickup game tonight.  I'll swap the laces to shorter ones and start the session with the forefoot area especially pretty tight.  See how that goes.

Mark

also... The shop (KO Sports near Pittsburgh, PA) was ok with the whole thing.  They clearly didn't sell many Trues / know all that much about them.  I had a younger kid at first, rather than the guy I talked to on the phone and it was his first customer asking about Trues.  The older guy (still not the guy I talked to on the phone) wasn't really any better.  Sizing wise in particular they were both clueless and had me stand on a Bauer stick measurer thing and declared that I would be a size 8.  🙂  I tried that to placate, and they were fine when I asked to try on a 7 and a 6.5 but if I hadn't had some idea that I should do that...  Around that time the guy I'd talked to showed up and he was much more of a "good skate fitter".  He still wasn't a True expert, but together we talked through stuff and figured out where I should be.  Without him, I'd for sure say I'd have been better off just going through IW and doing it myself.  With him... More of a wash.  Its certainly nice to have a real skate oven, have them to the initial sharpening, and easily be able to try on multiple pairs.  Less nice to drive a little over an hour each way.

 

Also, also... I tried on the TF9 as well.  The fit was certainly a bit different... They felt a bit roomier, particularly in the tongue area.  And the tongue is WAY stiffer than the TF7.  But it was kinda a wash overall.  I certainly didn't feel/notice anything that was worth nearly doubling the skate cost.

Edited by marka

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Coming from a 11" profile on 6.5 Supreme 170s I had the experience I mentioned above. And it's similar to the Ellipse 0 I could compare 1:1 with the stock profile. Which Zuperior did you use on your Makos? 

I had a similar problem with the length of the skates. Changing the tongue(the pro tongues are giving some mm more length; I don't know how but it's a fact) and using the heellock tying method solved it. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Howdy,

3 hours ago, marka said:

I also feel a bit of pressure on the side of the inside of my foot at the top of my arch.  Considering trimming down the arch support so that it doesn't wrap up the side of the boot as much, but I want to find some youtube vids or something where someone shows how you're supposed to use the arch supports.  Its not symmetrically shaped there front to back, and I'm not sure the shop put it in the right way either.

Played with this today.  The arch support inserts have an "L" and an "R" stamped on them and they were in there correctly.  I tried switching to the Medium insert and it seemed like it felt a bit better, so I'll give that a go tonight.

One thing I WON'T be doing is removing the insoles every time I use the skates... What a PITA getting that stuff back in the skate with the insert where I stuck it on the insole...

Mark

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Howdy,

11 minutes ago, hockeydad3 said:

Coming from a 11" profile on 6.5 Supreme 170s I had the experience I mentioned above. And it's similar to the Ellipse 0 I could compare 1:1 with the stock profile. Which Zuperior did you use on your Makos? 

I had a similar problem with the length of the skates. Changing the tongue(the pro tongues are giving some mm more length; I don't know how but it's a fact) and using the heellock tying method solved it. 

I had a Zuperior S with a bit more (25%?) forward pitch on a 263 runner, 7.5 skate size.

Mark

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, marka said:

Howdy,

Played with this today.  The arch support inserts have an "L" and an "R" stamped on them and they were in there correctly.  I tried switching to the Medium insert and it seemed like it felt a bit better, so I'll give that a go tonight.

One thing I WON'T be doing is removing the insoles every time I use the skates... What a PITA getting that stuff back in the skate with the insert where I stuck it on the insole...

Mark

I gave up on the inserts on my TF9 roller conversions. The insert kept coming off when I removed the insoles. I ended up forgetting one insert at home for one skate and actually found the skate with no insert more comfortable. The next skate, I went without the inserts and don't think I am going back.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Howdy,

18 hours ago, hockeydad3 said:

For you a Zuperior S (6-12-20 feet)  feels the same like a 9/10 feet profile? 

I'm using my Tf7 without arch inserts and the stock insole. 

No.  Profile definitely feels different, but I don't feel unstable on my heels like you describe.  I would say if anything it feels like there's a little steel missing under my toes or something.  With the same radius cut, these skates also feel like they have more grip on the ice than the Makos did.

I need to decide if I'm ready to commit enough to the fit of these that I won't be returning them and should spend money on profiles.  I guess I probably am?

Another skate last night.  I tied the skates tighter from the get-go and didn't have "toe into the end" issues like I did on the initial skate.  There's a bit of a hot spot on both feet on the side of the ball of my foot... Feels like maybe my foot is moving up and down a bit there?  Its a "rubbing" type of sensation vs. pressure.  Considering dropping the tongue lower into the skate to see if that will lock the front of my foot down a bit more.  I wouldn't mind having less tongue above the boot either.  Also considering a rebake and using the saran wrap method.

I'm undecided about the medium arch insert.  I think that's a little better than the large, but I was still for sure feeling a step/pressure on the underside of my arch.  I'll probably try them again with it in there.


Now that JR isn't doing profiling, what's the hookup for getting profiled steel?  The shop I bought them from does have a ProSharp so I guess I could just go through them.  The only question I have at this point is that on my old skates I had a Zuperior S, but that was on a 263 runner and it seems like ProSharp says to use a Zuperior XS on a 254 runner like I have now?
https://kkskate.com/blog/discover-the-secrets-of-skate-profiling

Not sure if I should ask for a Zuperior S or an XS.

Mark

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, marka said:

Not sure if I should ask for a Zuperior S or an XS.

Mark

Don't overthink it. I was skating on a Quad 0 and my customs came with a Quad XS and I didn't notice/experience any difference.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...