BenBreeg

1- it would be nice if people would add to the dialogue instead of just the lazy use of emojis 2- I find it interesting since you brought her up that Laura Stamm has been warning of overly stiff skates and their impediment to ankle mobility for at minimum 20 years, regardless of how the approach to mechanics has changed

Hmm, not too bad of a drive and I've never been to one of these... Will have to see if I can make it happen.

I don’t see anyone claiming it is a new paradigm, I think you are tilting at windmills. As long as I can remember people have viewed one of the purposes of skates to do the work of supporting the ankle. Tendon guards used to have eyelets, guys used to tape tendon guards to their shinguards, lace tighteners, etc. The stance of the desireability of greater degrees of ankle mobility is not a widely held view for the general population. Stiffer skates do make the problem worse. How messaging around lacing solutions is doing a disservice is a mystery. You going to convince them to make softer skates?

But he skips the second eyelet and wears a flexible skate. It is data, a study which references other studies and adds to the body of knowledge.

Good article, although the paragraph about motivation to leave the eyelet undone seems out of place in an academic paper. The rationale behind it has zero impact on the data and all of those guys tuck their tongues now anyway. Using vertical displacement as a positive data point at first seemed odd but it makes sense as you can’t push horizontal and there will be a vertical element to the vector which should correlate to acceleration and speed.

In game I can't say one way or another but certainly not as a training exercise.

I used a ref bag for years and hated it. I got the pacific rink backpack a few years ago and love it. Skates go in the side pockets and helmet and gloves inside (you can also clip the helmet to the outside). It has an inner sleeve I put a clipboard/whiteboard in, two externals that i usually have pucks in for stick time, and a small pocket on the flap I keep pens/markers in as well as some extra helmet parts and small screwdrivers. Might be worth a look

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Any improvement in Bauer steel for me would be great. Sick of getting my son’s skates sharpened and then after one or two skates there are little burrs and nicks. Shouldn’t be that fragile.

Me three...

Lace free has been around for a long time. Basically training your foot to control the blade vs. letting the “clamping power” of the skate do the work.

Same as @Miller55, I like the comfort and flex of the Ribcore, but the heel and shallow boot are drawbacks for me. A 100K in the mid-fit sounds like something I would try.

Love Sturgill and Tyler Childress, nice call.

Wow, is this really our only music thread? Anyway, resurrecting. The new Smith/Kotzen album is amazing. Ritchie Kotzen (Winery Dogs, solo, others) and Adrian Smith (Iron Maiden). Blues-based rock, definitely song-oriented, not a shred album although there is plenty of guitar stuff to chew on. They share vocals, Kotzen has a crazy voice, almost Chris Cornell at times.

Yep, the naming sucks, but maybe they should first figure out how to match a profile with a skater so people have a clue instead of creating all these profiles that make peoples eyes glaze over when they look at them. My gut (albeit with no data) says there are only a few profiles that matter.

Distinct possibility, but that says a lot about trying to split hairs with all these profiles. It doesn’t seem like they came up with them through research, but from a theoretical approach and just threw them out there.

So one thing has become become clear, there should be a huge market for helmets to protect against long-term brain injuries similar to what must have happened when your mother dropped you on your head, they should sell by the truckload. Bowing out of this shit show.

@Deker you are literally the poster child for why the internet is such a black hole for mature dialogue. -You know nothing about risk assessment -You know nothing about product management -You know nothing about business cases Yet you keep cutting and pasting the same arguments (feeble as they may be) and now have resorted to name calling because people disagree with you. People who know more than you about the topic. Since you are so infatuated with cups, I assume you wear that fancy carbon fiber one the pros switched to after Molina had his injury? How much of the general sports population wears that? If you are so convinced there is a market for this, then run with it. Come up with a business plan, do some basic prototyping, it's cheap as hell now with 3D printing and there are workspaces everywhere for startups. Throw it up on Kickstarter and follow your dream. Put you money where your mouth is and quit acting like an immature brat.

You literally either don’t read or I don’t know what, but people gave their argument why companies probably won’t, because they don’t see it as pervasive enough a problem to warrant it, and that is what drives product decisions, how much more clear can we present this? You disagree, fine, quit restating the same effing question and acting like nobody else has informed opinions.

Let me start by making a statement, take it how you will, but it is not an attack. You need to learn to argue the points people are making, not what you think you are hearing. NOBODY said a rule change would have prevented what happened. NOBODY said they are opposed to helmet companies making helmets safer. Straw man arguments just lead to people not taking you seriously. What WAS said: There are multiple ways to address most problems. The difference between no helmets and today's helmets is huge, but we are close to the point of diminishing returns. Concussion research evolves but they still don't know everything. Helmets have probably hit the point where they have done all they can to help mitigate, which is not much since many (most? don't have data) concussions aren't from direct impact. What WAS said: Someone who works in a field that uses data and probability feels that rule changes would have a bigger IMPACT (he didn't say it would have prevented it as you accused him of) on many high-risk scenarios. Argue your points as vigorously as you want, but argue against what people are actually saying.

Twice that we have ever heard of given the millions of times a puck is shot/dumped/deflected/etc constitutes practically never in my book and probably anyone else who actually objectively looks at risk through a rational lense. i didn’t comment on what i WANT helmet companies to do, I have no reason to want them to do anything. My comment is about what is going to drive their product decisions. Unlike concussions, there is not a problem the market sees that would warrant a new product to solve. You can’t eliminate risk in many cases, you decide how much residual risk you are comfortable with.

What does that have to do with the point I made? Did they choose what helmet he wore? We live with risk every day. Some mitigations are mandated by the government or a league, some are left to the individuals. Unless they think people will buy them, why in God’s name would they make one for a situation that practically never happens?

They are free to do it, but there has to be an assumption someone is going to buy it. Most people seem to feel the current helmets offer sufficient protection.

Those are great! Forgot about the Titan Turbo..

Thats incredible news @dkmiller3356! Congratulations!