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13 hours ago, marka said:

Now that JR isn't doing profiling, what's the hookup for getting profiled steel?  The shop I bought them from does have a ProSharp so I guess I could just go through them.  The only question I have at this point is that on my old skates I had a Zuperior S, but that was on a 263 runner and it seems like ProSharp says to use a Zuperior XS on a 254 runner like I have now?
https://kkskate.com/blog/discover-the-secrets-of-skate-profiling

Not sure if I should ask for a Zuperior S or an XS.

Mark

There’s a guy who used to work at Ko, Jason Binney, who has his own sharpening shop now. I really like him. He’s in Sewickley, but you can mail him steal if you wanna save the drive. 

https://www.binnieshockey.com

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On 7/12/2021 at 9:10 AM, marka said:


Now that JR isn't doing profiling, what's the hookup for getting profiled steel?  The shop I bought them from does have a ProSharp so I guess I could just go through them.  The only question I have at this point is that on my old skates I had a Zuperior S, but that was on a 263 runner and it seems like ProSharp says to use a Zuperior XS on a 254 runner like I have now?
 

Just because a shop has the machine doesn't always mean they know what they are doing. I see so many profiles come into my store mangled, steel uneven, toe not blended properly, all sorts of terrible stuff. Sigh.

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13 hours ago, start_today said:

There’s a guy who used to work at Ko, Jason Binney, who has his own sharpening shop now. I really like him. He’s in Sewickley, but you can mail him steal if you wanna save the drive. 

https://www.binnieshockey.com

I have heard good things about his shop though I haven't used him for anything to this point.  Sewickly is no closer than Neville for me so I just keep going to Rich.

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4 minutes ago, 218hockey said:

Mail to him and pay $50 for a profiling? I don't think so.

Interesting considering the store he came from charges $25, although I think I've always had them do it when I bought new skates, so not sure if they discount for that or if that is the price regardless.

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Howdy,

Binnies is close enough that I'd probably just go there.

Another skate last night.  After trying the medium inserts and still feeling a line of pressure on my instep I just removed the inserts altogether.  That definitely was better.  I think the extra arch support is nicer with the inserts, but the way they work it seems to press the edge of the insole up into my foot and I can feel that lip.  If that was a smooth transition maybe it would be better, but for now... I'm on the no insert plan.

I also adjusted my tongues down in the skate another 1/2" to 1" or so.  That seemed to really help lock the front of my foot down in the boot and even after 4 hours on the ice reffing I didn't notice a hot spot on the sides of the balls of my feet like I had before.  A side benefit was making them easier to tuck under shins / pull out from under shins.

What has been everyone's experience with Shift steel vs. Step steel?  Interested in the uncoated versions, just because I want to keep being able to use a stone to deburr.  It's time for me to get a profile and figure I'll add a set of steel at the same time.

Mark

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45 minutes ago, marka said:



What has been everyone's experience with Shift steel vs. Step steel?  Interested in the uncoated versions, just because I want to keep being able to use a stone to deburr.  It's time for me to get a profile and figure I'll add a set of steel at the same time.

Mark

The new TRUE Shift steel is very good, I would say it's nearly as good as STEP. It sharpens very well and retails a solid edge.

The black coated Shift steel is whatever, mostly cosmetic. 

The new DLC coated Shift steel is fantastic. Sharpen well. Holds a nice edge. The coating is durable and functional. 

Another option is Bladetech too. They make very good steel. 

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Howdy,

Got another set of steel, profiled to Zuperior S.  I should be able to give that a workout this weekend.  🙂

One question... Does anyone know of a rigid skate blade holder that fits Shift steel?  I'd really rather not toss something in my bag that flexible, because I can't believe its good for loose steel to be banging around as easily as it seems to be able to bend.

Mark

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25 minutes ago, marka said:

Howdy,

Got another set of steel, profiled to Zuperior S.  I should be able to give that a workout this weekend.  🙂

One question... Does anyone know of a rigid skate blade holder that fits Shift steel?  I'd really rather not toss something in my bag that flexible, because I can't believe its good for loose steel to be banging around as easily as it seems to be able to bend.

Mark

I modified a standard A&R nylon pouch by cutting some thin-ish (1.5-2mm thick) PE plastic sheeting to size (a bit smaller than the sleeve size) and sliding them in.  Definitely makes it more rigid, although I was trying to solve for smaller sized steel getting stuck in there and being hard to get out, this will probably solve for your problem. 

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Howdy,

Not sure if anyone really cares, but the TF7's are working out well.  Put a profile on a new set of steel that matched what I had on my previous Makos (Zuperior S) and I'm finally back to basically never thinking about my skates.  I'm sure some of that is the additional time in the skates... I've got 14 skates (reffing and playing) in on them now.

At this point, my toes aren't QUITE brushing the end cap.  I do feel a ridge under my right big toe especially... Like a step where some material meets or something like that.  I haven't pulled the laces to try and see what's going on there.  I thought about maybe trying to smooth that out with a die grinder or filling an area with epoxy or something to make it less of a sharp transition.  Its fairly minor though, so I might just keep ignoring it.  Otherwise no hot spots or rubbing or whatever.  I'm guessing that change from the first skates is a combination of the foams/padding breaking in more with use and moving the tongues down in the skate.

Pretty happy with these things!

Mark

(Just so nobody interested needs to dig back... I went from 7.5 regular width Mako M8's (probably should have been in wides) to 6.5 regular width TF-7s.  My take is that the True skates are marked around .75 size listings smaller than 'standard' and are also a bit wider/more volume than the old Vapor / "fit 1" type things though the mold-ability may let them work for narrower feet as well)

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5 hours ago, rinkrat94 said:

Anyone bake the TF9 without using the wrap?

I didn't use wrap for my initial bake. I have very low volume feet and did end up re baking and wrapping after my first skate to get a better fit. Didn't feel as "locked in" as I did with my customs.  Huge difference afterwards. Well worth the 9 bucks for the wrap on amazon. I have my own skate oven so it was just a matter of waiting for it to arrive.  Thought about going down to South Windsor Arena to see if their old CCM F.I.T. machine still worked, but the wrap worked great. I have very low volume feet, which is why I went with a pair of VH customs about 8 years ago. I've skated in the TF-9's 3 times in shoot arounds but not in a scrimmage or game yet. Still trying to get them dialed in, but they seem like they will work. I did change out the stock tongue for the felt model to take up some of the volume.  

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57 minutes ago, Monty22 said:

I didn't use wrap for my initial bake. I have very low volume feet and did end up re baking and wrapping after my first skate to get a better fit. Didn't feel as "locked in" as I did with my customs.  Huge difference afterwards. Well worth the 9 bucks for the wrap on amazon. I have my own skate oven so it was just a matter of waiting for it to arrive.  Thought about going down to South Windsor Arena to see if their old CCM F.I.T. machine still worked, but the wrap worked great. I have very low volume feet, which is why I went with a pair of VH customs about 8 years ago. I've skated in the TF-9's 3 times in shoot arounds but not in a scrimmage or game yet. Still trying to get them dialed in, but they seem like they will work. I did change out the stock tongue for the felt model to take up some of the volume.  

How do I find the wrap on Amazon?

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Okay I'm scratching my head on this and I have a couple questions for True skate owners... How hard should it be to put the skate on pre-bake, and has anyone tried the TF9 goalie skates yet? Idk if True has fixed their sizing issues or if it's just me but I tried them on and they fit true to me, in fact I actually went UP a size from my Bauer Elites (2013 version) in 7D. My LHS just got the Trues in and after reading through the comments in this thread I walked in expecting to possibly go down to a 6.5 or a 6 and literally could not even get my foot into the 7.5, even with a shoe horn.

I tried an 8R and it fit snug but comfy with about a half inch of room to spare in the toe box, which to me, seems a little bit long- my toes just brush the toe box in my Bauers when I flex forward. But like I said, I could not squeeze my foot into the 7.5  TF9 at all. Granted, I did not bake the 7.5 but it did not feel like that would have helped. They weren't hard to get on unbaked, they were impossible. 

I baked the 8's and they felt incredible. I tired every other skate in the store- 3s Pros, Vapors, Jetspeeds, AS1's, and the new Bauer Elites, all in size 7 and 7.5 and they all felt good, but the Trues in 8R felt the best. I'm just wondering if anyone else has tried the goalie skates and found this to be the case as well or what because my foot is telling me the 8 is perfect but literally everyone else has said they've had to size down, so I'm second guessing myself. 

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Never tried the goalie skates and cannot speak to the sizing. It's possible they did adjust the sizing from the original player skate release.

 

For me, I wear a 9 Bauer Supreme and I fit an 8 or 8.5 tf9. I can put on the 8.5 without baking, but not the 8. To get the 8 on I had to bake them a bit and take out the tongue. I ended up going with the 8.5 because they're more comfortable, but if I were playing competitively and wanted the extra performance I would go with the 8, even though I couldn't get them on initially. So it's definitely possible that a 7 or 7.5 might fit you, but you might have to heat them a bit to find out

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When I first got my TF9’s i went down a half size from my Bauer size and I could barely squeeze my foot into them pre-bake. I was definitely worried they would be way too small. Baked them and they opened up and they fit absolutely perfect. With Trues, I think if the skate has room or fits like you’re used to pre-bake, it’s going to be too big for you post-bake 

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18 hours ago, chicknpawks said:

Okay I'm scratching my head on this and I have a couple questions for True skate owners... How hard should it be to put the skate on pre-bake, and has anyone tried the TF9 goalie skates yet? Idk if True has fixed their sizing issues or if it's just me but I tried them on and they fit true to me, in fact I actually went UP a size from my Bauer Elites (2013 version) in 7D. My LHS just got the Trues in and after reading through the comments in this thread I walked in expecting to possibly go down to a 6.5 or a 6 and literally could not even get my foot into the 7.5, even with a shoe horn.

I tried an 8R and it fit snug but comfy with about a half inch of room to spare in the toe box, which to me, seems a little bit long- my toes just brush the toe box in my Bauers when I flex forward. But like I said, I could not squeeze my foot into the 7.5  TF9 at all. Granted, I did not bake the 7.5 but it did not feel like that would have helped. They weren't hard to get on unbaked, they were impossible. 

I baked the 8's and they felt incredible. I tired every other skate in the store- 3s Pros, Vapors, Jetspeeds, AS1's, and the new Bauer Elites, all in size 7 and 7.5 and they all felt good, but the Trues in 8R felt the best. I'm just wondering if anyone else has tried the goalie skates and found this to be the case as well or what because my foot is telling me the 8 is perfect but literally everyone else has said they've had to size down, so I'm second guessing myself. 

Ignore sizing and go by fit and feel. Thats the number one rule I stick to when fitting people for skates.

I had a customer come in the other day and ask for a size 10EE CCM. I said "Great, take off your shoes and let's get you measured and see what we are working with!" In the end, he walked out in a size 8 tapered CCM. 

The same goes with TRUE, I have seen some players move from the same size in Bauer/CCM to TRUE while some others have gone up/down in size. YMMV.

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Take the footbed out and see if the length is right. Whether you can get your foot in the true skate prebake has no indication of how they will fit baked. 

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For Trues it’s helpful to think of a new concept: positive space. It’s well known how well they bake and that they have minimum negative space because of this. But the baking shifts almost any way you want (some portions of the boot are relatively fixed, much more resistant to thermoforming). That means they also move up and out around protrusions of the foot. If I were buying a new pair of Trues I would probably lean toward the one just smaller than what I can squeeze into prebake.

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On 8/3/2021 at 2:57 PM, chicknpawks said:

Okay I'm scratching my head on this and I have a couple questions for True skate owners... How hard should it be to put the skate on pre-bake, and has anyone tried the TF9 goalie skates yet? Idk if True has fixed their sizing issues or if it's just me but I tried them on and they fit true to me, in fact I actually went UP a size from my Bauer Elites (2013 version) in 7D. My LHS just got the Trues in and after reading through the comments in this thread I walked in expecting to possibly go down to a 6.5 or a 6 and literally could not even get my foot into the 7.5, even with a shoe horn.

I tried an 8R and it fit snug but comfy with about a half inch of room to spare in the toe box, which to me, seems a little bit long- my toes just brush the toe box in my Bauers when I flex forward. But like I said, I could not squeeze my foot into the 7.5  TF9 at all. Granted, I did not bake the 7.5 but it did not feel like that would have helped. They weren't hard to get on unbaked, they were impossible. 

I baked the 8's and they felt incredible. I tired every other skate in the store- 3s Pros, Vapors, Jetspeeds, AS1's, and the new Bauer Elites, all in size 7 and 7.5 and they all felt good, but the Trues in 8R felt the best. I'm just wondering if anyone else has tried the goalie skates and found this to be the case as well or what because my foot is telling me the 8 is perfect but literally everyone else has said they've had to size down, so I'm second guessing myself. 

No idea on goalie skates and if True changed sizing at all.

For me, I tried on size 8, 7, and 6.5 in TF7.  I was able to get my foot into all of them.  I would say that I didn't notice much length difference at all between the 7's and the 6.5's... Not sure I'd have known they were different sizes pre-bake.  Perhaps that was down to them being slightly different shapes in pre-bake form.  Or maybe there are manufacturer tolerances that stack up one way vs. the other way across two different pairs?

I ended up in the 6.5 and I didn't notice a HUGE difference prebake to postbake in length.  There was a little difference, but it was like a 1/4 size or less.  I've noticed more difference since that initial fitting in the probably 20 hours or so I have on the skates since.  In that time things that seemed to effect the skate length fit the most was moving the tongue down in the skate.  I think prior to that, my foot was shifting forward a little in the skate, jamming my toe into the toecap.  Moving the tongue down some coupled with making the forefoot area a bit tighter lace-wise seemed to have stopped that shifting forward and now the length fit seems pretty dialed, with me being able to just brush the end if I 'reach' for it with my toes.

But I want to echo @PBR here...  Go with what's feeling good on your foot and don't worry too much about what size is on the skates.  If the 8's are feeling great after baking... There you go.  One of the things that's freaking awesome about these is the 30 day money back fit guarantee, so if after a handful of skates something changes you're not out anything.

Mark

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On 8/4/2021 at 5:49 PM, Sniper9 said:

Take the footbed out and see if the length is right. Whether you can get your foot in the true skate prebake has no indication of how they will fit baked. 

Don´t forget that half and full sizes have a different construction in the toebox. In a half-size boot the toebox, above a small foam-wall, is some mm longer than the insole.

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On 7/9/2021 at 1:41 PM, flip12 said:

Did you try the lipstick spot check Van Horne shows in a video? Put lipstick on the sore spot of your naked ankle/foot, put your skate on and then press your foot up against the skate. Because it sounds like it’s an area where your ankle is moving back and forth in the skate, try to replicate that motion with and without the tongue in place. I’m wondering if it could be the edge of the tongue, as the TF9 tongue lacks the usual plush felt around the edges like a traditional tongue would have.

I didn't try this but was able to pinpoint it to the top eyelet that was causing the problem. It was hitting/rubbing the side of my leg/ankle. 

On 7/9/2021 at 6:54 PM, Vet88 said:

It's often not standing or straight line skating that is the issue. Deep turns and hard acceleration is when the impact is worse - you are pushing hard onto an extended, angled edge and the physical forces transferring thru the skate amplify any alignment issues. 

If you can find a good fitter for figure skates you could talk to them about moving the holder inwards and or shimming the outside edge of the holder. You can also try shims on the inside of the boot, the shims are inserted on the inside of the foot to try and correct pronation. Try a gel pad under the inside of the forefoot, this twists the forefoot towards the outside and helps to reshape the arch and can often reposition the ankle and knee alignment enough to correct a good degree of mild pronation. There are no easy fixes for pronation so its a matter of finding what works best for you.

It was definitely occurring during deep turns and acceleration as you mentioned.

Just an update, I hadn't skated in over 2 years before skating on the Trues. After my post, I flared the cuff out a bit more but it was still hurting. I left it that way during stick and skate sessions and tried to adjust my foot whenever I felt the pain. Up to that point I'd only gone to a few skate and stick sessions but after a few games, it started hurting less and less. It's been about 6-7 games now and there's only a very slight pain occasionally. Maybe it just took a little bit for me to get my strength and technique back. 

The TF9 have been great otherwise. 

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