Sniper9

The trues have a 30 day satisfaction guarantee so id argue you could do a full bake take them home use them and still return them.

True dat

You'd have to ask true or the fitter should know whether true will predrill for you. I've heard over the years people say true won't predrill anymore but at the same time I've seen it done.. only way to find out is to ask them or your fitter. Even if the scan recommends 10w, svh skates aren't based on sizing. It's based on your scan and photos of you standing on a true brannock. The scan via the app you can get for your iOS is for sizing retail skates. That said. 8.5w in ccm and trues recommended 10w seems very off. Btw if the 9 and 9.5 hzrdus you tried on seemed a "bit" short then one of them would've likely worked as the foams in trues skates pack in quite a bit after a bake and even after breaking in. I haven't tried the ft6 pros so I dunno how true to size they are compared to Bauer and true retails these days. The ccm wide might be structured that they are also quite a bit longer than the tapered and regular fits. For example, the Bauer fit 3s are very similar in length to the next half size up in fit 1 and 2. They even use the same size holder as the next half size up Personally I wouldn't get them to predrill just in case. This way you can get your svh skates and see which holder is best suited for the size svh you end up getting. You're already shelling over a grand on skates, don't cheap out to try to fit a holder on them just for the sake of not getting new holders.

Fair regarding the ccm boots having eyelets that moved positions but that's seems more like the actual eyelet opening stretching from actually baking as there's no facing. The Bauer mach and m5 pro movements seems more to do with the rubbery material they are using for the facing and not the eyelet hole itself stretching.

I never said it would lead to failure etc. All I said was that it's common and it looks like it happens to pretty much all machs and m5 pros to a certain degree. Yet again, you go out and just argue for the sake of arguing.

It has nothing to do with the baking. I've tested this out on two pairs of machs without baking and just lacing with normal tightness and it happened to both. Yes, baking will create a bit more stretch in the facing as it's warm and in the case of OP he did pull on the laces more than he should've and upwards but for whatever reasons whether it's the facing material or how they're setting the eyelets, the outside ring of the eyelet will pull from the facing ever aj slightly no matter how careful you are. Not sure if you still have you ur machs but I guarantee you're will have some kind of "stretch" to the facing. This didn't and doesn't happen to really any other skate. I've seen this on the m5 pros too so I'm assuming it's soft rubbery the material they are using on the eyelet facing. SLS has terrible quality pictures. You can't even get a clear shot even zooming in. Go on eBay and look. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/156027495994?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=MEdDAD3XT46&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=P_3aeSFeTlm&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY https://www.ebay.ca/itm/156034951060?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=MEdDAD3XT46&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=P_3aeSFeTlm&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY That's just two of many

Ya I rmbr going from 9ft single radius to the quad in my old one100s and I def felt the pitch.... Funny thing is I never felt more pitch going to trues. But after 7 years in trues I def feel on my heels in the Bauers even though the Bauers have quite a bit more forward flex. I will give it a month and see. But with that said, if the trues overall holder and or boot is pitched more than the Supremes, and I have no knee issues, wouldn't that not be a concern? It's not like I'm incrementally increasing the pitch ore and more until my knees go.

After using True skates for the last 7 years and most recently the Cat pros with shift Max holders, I have transitioned to the Bauer machs. I profiled the steel to the same quad zero as on my Trues. I'm having issues with the pitch as there are times I almost fell backwards bc I was leaning too far on my heels when turning and transitioning. Straight away strides I'm actually ok but still a bit off which is natural given I'm using a brand new and different type of skate. My question is , if I were to re profile the steel for my machs, I plan to keep the quad 0, but how much pitch should I ask for to get as close as it was to the true skates which also has quad zero. I'm going to give it about a month to see if I can adapt. Also, I'm not overly impressed with the fly ti steel. Def doesn't have nearly the glide or bite step/jrz black dlc has, but I digress.

More importantly, no beat up ankles!

I dropped lace length by a lot as well. I use 84" laces for my trues and 108" for my Bauers.

Flat head screwdriver and put it in the notch at the back of the steel where it meets the holder under the dial

New cats coming this year. Tfs has been on sale for a long time now. Over a year.

Bauer and ccm are strict on their pricing. Even clearance item prices are controlled by them. It's ridiculous. Generally speaking, true items are allowed to be included in online sales etc, whereas Bauer and ccm are not.

Makes it easier for me to stay away from trues then lol.

Having the trues being pitched differently has been talked about and most people dealt with this by swapping to tuuk holders or profiling. Glad the m5 pros worked for you.

Doesn't mean you should keep the topic derailed.

Start ur own thread about this. Or. Maybe use better key words on Google.

Google powerfoot inserts and you'll know what it's for. It has nothing to do with changing the "size" of a skate.

They're selling for a discount bc they are a few years old and discontinued. Although they were trues top end retail line when they first came out, I'd argue they don't really have the gimmicky features of Bauer and ccm top end skates. That said, true does seem to be a couple hundred bucks lower than Bauer and ccm in general. I'm sure this will change after they get a bit more exposure at the retail level.

Diy is just do it yourself. I make my own volume reducing foams for the toebox. I just use sheets of Eva foam from the craft or dollar store until I get the thickness I like. I build the thickness with the Eva foam but the part that would touch my toes I put a layer of dollar store memory foam shoe insoles so it's softer. I attach them to the toebox using stick on Velcro so it's removable and replaceable. I hate negative space in the toebox. This helps keep my toes and forefoot flat.

Question regarding the facing where the eyelet tore through. How much composite is actually there holding the eyelet? I'd assume if the facing was made out of the same thermoplastic material as the boot, it would take a lot of effort to deform that material. Id imagine even if you drilled a hole in the material and laced through it with no eyelet it'll be able to hold up? Or is the facing a different/more flexible type of material?

Just wanted to update this. I recently got Machs and it seems this is a "normal" issue with these skates. I started seeing this bit of stretch in the facing for used machs online and even in person with a buddies. Got me wondering. So when I got my brand new machs that weren't even tried on by anyone, the eyelets didn't look like this and we're in mint condition. I put them on and laced them fairly tight WITHOUT baking and it already created this small facing stretch around some of the top 3-4 eyelets. I baked them after tying at about 70% and pulling outwards only and finished with shrink wrap to snug everything up. So it must be the rubbery material of the facing that stretches when tension is placed on the eyelets, is my guess and doesn't mean the actual thermoformable plastic is stretched. I haven't seen one used mach skate online without at least a couple of the eyelets with this issue. Just search them on eBay and you'll see some closeup pics. What did you end up doing Op?

I never had issues switching between Supremes, as1s, and trues. I found the biggest adjustment was the feel and flex of the boot between the different skates vs how my edges and steel were. I always used the same profile though. The thing about trues is that you will never feel nimble in them. They are for comfort and their one piece boots allows for better edge feel. If you're looking for a lighter more agile skate, it won't be in a true skate. As for lace bite. Try not tightening the laces so much. Or skip the top eyelet, or skip the eyelet in the area where you're getting the pinch so that area doesn't have so much pressure. Also the cat 7 has a felt tongue. The felt tongue didn't go well for me for my catalyst pros. I've always used felt even with my true tf customs. But with the catalyst pro I had to use their molded tongue and that helped solve the pinching issue for me. Lastly, doesn't true offer the 30 day money back fit guarantee?

Thanks for the catalogue. How is that rivet replaceable for the t guard when it's covered up? I stand corrected with regards to looks. The 9x4 looks pretty good. The picture I saw were for the 7x4. I think the blue looks hideous imo. Not a fan of colors around any eyelets/facing. Looks tacky to me. So what's going on with the "pro" being a custom tailored fit. What's going to be the custom tailored for the catalyst? Same as the 9x4 but same process at the current catalyst pro?

I never argued those points. Our disagreement was on fit and comfort and mold ability